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    okay I have too much time on my hands to think. With the oil prices being in the toilet, I would assume the ethanol prices would crash also. Thus less corn planted. Must be super hard on the farmers to know what to plant this spring under these challenging times. Or are there enough subsidies to make corn profitable? Probably all academic from my point this year since our borders are essentially shut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaskan swamp collies View Post
    okay I have too much time on my hands to think. With the oil prices being in the toilet, I would assume the ethanol prices would crash also. Thus less corn planted. Must be super hard on the farmers to know what to plant this spring under these challenging times. Or are there enough subsidies to make corn profitable? Probably all academic from my point this year since our borders are essentially shut.
    Ethanol plants are struggling, there is talk that some will shut down. Farmers are not sure what to plant and yes crop insurance will influence that. Crop prices are very weak.

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    We buy a bunch of DDgs for feed. Can’t get anyone to write a contract at any amount right now and we typically are dealing with 4-5 different plants. The reason is they don’t know if they will be operating next week or next month right now so can’t commit to anything. Exports to China are way down due to ASF and then the price of crude is a double whammy on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt D View Post
    We buy a bunch of DDgs for feed. Canít get anyone to write a contract at any amount right now and we typically are dealing with 4-5 different plants. The reason is they donít know if they will be operating next week or next month right now so canít commit to anything. Exports to China are way down due to ASF and then the price of crude is a double whammy on them.
    there was an earlier estimate for 100 million acres of corn production this year..uncertainty everywhere, but CRP in the future may be more lucrative, if it is ever offered again in a meaningful way.

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    There is actually a real need for ethanol for hand sanitizer right now.

    Grain Processing Corporation and ADM have ethanol plants designed to produce ethanol for human contact and consumption. Unfortunately most grain ethanol plants are set up only for the gasoline blending market. Most ethanol used in gasoline blending is denatured with fusel oil.

    There is a plant in far SW MN and another in NE that are looking at diversification from gasoline blending stock.

    Distilleries have a much higher standard of production monitoring and some distilleries are actually producing ethanol based cleaners right now.

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    I know it’s a little off topic but is AG related. I would love to see the cattle guys get some help. I have some friends really struggling. As it relates to pheasants we need cattle farms or else the land will fall to the plow. The corn and soybean growers have powerful voices and lobbyists but you never hear from the cattlemen on the national stage. Even on this board it’s always about corn and soybeans. Look at the price of beef but yet their prices are so low it’s tough for them to make it. If you like birds would you rather see a section of corn or a section of pasture/grass etc.,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drake1 View Post
    I know itís a little off topic but is AG related. I would love to see the cattle guys get some help. I have some friends really struggling. As it relates to pheasants we need cattle farms or else the land will fall to the plow. The corn and soybean growers have powerful voices and lobbyists but you never hear from the cattlemen on the national stage. Even on this board itís always about corn and soybeans. Look at the price of beef but yet their prices are so low itís tough for them to make it. If you like birds would you rather see a section of corn or a section of pasture/grass etc.,
    Well you said a mouthful there and you said it well. Packers are making a killing, they own the cattle for accouple of days while the guys that own them the rest of there lives are struggling. I hate to sound like a broken record but this is why I am really enthused about what Blue Nest Beef is doing. Expanding bird habitat and supporting regenerative cattlemen. If everybody bought one box of beef a year from Blue Nest Beef it would do both.

    bluenestbeef.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drake1 View Post
    I know it’s a little off topic but is AG related. I would love to see the cattle guys get some help. I have some friends really struggling. As it relates to pheasants we need cattle farms or else the land will fall to the plow. The corn and soybean growers have powerful voices and lobbyists but you never hear from the cattlemen on the national stage. Even on this board it’s always about corn and soybeans. Look at the price of beef but yet their prices are so low it’s tough for them to make it. If you like birds would you rather see a section of corn or a section of pasture/grass etc.,
    Why would that land fall under the plow? It is cattle land because it isn't good farm ground and trying to make money on marginal crop land in a commodity market like this is suicide. I think some may try but it will likely fail.

    As for the ethanol, I'd love to see the government get out of the ethanol business and stop enticing farmers to plant millions of acres of corn so that we can burn it in our cars under some mistaken belief that crop based fuels are somehow good for anything. If they were we would have had ethanol plants already without the need for the central planners in Washington DC tell us we needed such things.

    So now we have a glut of oil, a glut of corn, and whole industries, built up around the mandates rather than built around the demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtTheMurph View Post
    Why would that land fall under the plow? It is cattle land because it isn't good farm ground and trying to make money on marginal crop land in a commodity market like this is suicide. I think some may try but it will likely fail.

    As for the ethanol, I'd love to see the government get out of the ethanol business and stop enticing farmers to plant millions of acres of corn so that we can burn it in our cars under some mistaken belief that crop based fuels are somehow good for anything. If they were we would have had ethanol plants already without the need for the central planners in Washington DC tell us we needed such things.

    So now we have a glut of oil, a glut of corn, and whole industries, built up around the mandates rather than built around the demand.
    A lot of good cattle habitat turned into corn and beans as a result of crop insurance and lobbyists that work for the Monsanto types. As for the rest of what you said you said it very well too. Right now the price of corn per pound is as cheap as hay is per pound. In my life that has not been true very often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtTheMurph View Post
    Why would that land fall under the plow? It is cattle land because it isn't good farm ground and trying to make money on marginal crop land in a commodity market like this is suicide. I think some may try but it will likely fail.

    As for the ethanol, I'd love to see the government get out of the ethanol business and stop enticing farmers to plant millions of acres of corn so that we can burn it in our cars under some mistaken belief that crop based fuels are somehow good for anything. If they were we would have had ethanol plants already without the need for the central planners in Washington DC tell us we needed such things.

    So now we have a glut of oil, a glut of corn, and whole industries, built up around the mandates rather than built around the demand.
    The oil industry ever get any help from Uncle Sam ?

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