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    All I ever hear are the negatives about cedars. But when they started clearing them off all of the CRP areas 10 plus years ago the birds went with them. I will take cedars any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westksbowhunter View Post
    All I ever hear are the negatives about cedars. But when they started clearing them off all of the CRP areas 10 plus years ago the birds went with them. I will take cedars any day.
    Cedars in VERY controlled doses are OK - when they are allowed to do what they did in the flint hills, around Pratt in certain areas that folks think you need cedars to keep deer, ALL of NE KS, NC Ks in the smokey hills is becoming choked with them in certain areas and with their maturity will go what little pheasants were left and push the prairie chickens out, Red Hills (though with the wildfire it seems landowners are coming to the realization that they are evil and need to be removed and lo and behold like magic their surface water started showing up again and pastures became healthier again.

    Anyways - before they are mature and while they're young their fine - when they get overgrown and too big they are good for nothing but hiding nest robbers and providing hawk perches, sucking up valuable water and many other things.

    Cedars do not belong on the grasslands unless it's a small scale habitat project that will be closely managed like what Mike is putting in.

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    Drive through central Oklahoma and see what happens when they aren’t controlled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akp View Post
    Drive through central Oklahoma and see what happens when they aren’t controlled.
    Environmental disaster IMO --- Would love to see the entire rolling hills there set on fire to remove them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fsentkilr View Post
    Pasture won't qualify for CRP because it doesn't have a farming history which it has to have. The CRP acres will be maxed out. It's not paying as much, but it still pays more than lower quality ground will cash rent for. Plus you don't have to deal with tenants and the government's checks won't bounce. I just bought a quarter of farm ground in Ness County. The CRP rate is about the same as cash renting it. I am going to cash rent it because a good friend of mine farms the quarter next to it. We are however going to put a pollinator plot it, and I am going to plant cedars and plums in a waterway that runs across it.
    That is correct and I wasn't clear when I went back and read. The new land of my father in laws was turned into pasture once he realized crp wasn't an option. Did not want to cash rent it to crop. And being as he has cows it became pasture. It was a project too spraying weeds and seeding it. Some became an alfalfa field that he hays. Mine was already pasture and we were going for the pasture restoration since that was one of the programs offered by MDC. Either way we don't qualify per the soil test

    And P.S. Thanks for adding the habitat. I agree cedars in patches and in moderation are good cover. And if the rest of the property is in crops it would be hard for them to get out of control.
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    That state has a habitat first program. In the past they have assisted with a cost share for native grass restoration, tree removal, planting shrubs, and food plots for quail. Ive had the quail biologist out several times. The green glacier aka eastern red cedar is proving to be a pain. Neighboring property owner is a deer hunter for louisiana and he wants all he can get, while I am burning and cutting on my side of the creek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PheasantWhisperer View Post
    That is correct and I wasn't clear when I went back and read. The new land of my father in laws was turned into pasture once he realized crp wasn't an option. Did not want to cash rent it to crop. And being as he has cows it became pasture. It was a project too spraying weeds and seeding it. Some became an alfalfa field that he hays. Mine was already pasture and we were going for the pasture restoration since that was one of the programs offered by MDC. Either way we don't qualify per the soil test

    And P.S. Thanks for adding the habitat. I agree cedars in patches and in moderation are good cover. And if the rest of the property is in crops it would be hard for them to get out of control.
    I can't believe there are pheasant hunters on here that don't know how good cedar shelterbelts are for pheasants. No place did I say let them take over the whole country but there is no better cover for harsh winter conditions. On the crp, you can get ground in upland bird buffers or pollinator patches that doesn't qualify for general signup. It is a continuous program and you are paid based on soil type. These acres take priority over general signup acres and as long as we haven't hit the cap they are accepted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KsHusker View Post
    Whenever Manhattan is (and im sure it will be someday) in the throws of a drought like the SW/SC part of KS saw in 2011-2012 they will wish they got rid of them as they will have essentially surrounded the town with fireworks.
    Those fireworks are fantastic!
    Although, I can't say that they even have a fireworks show in Manhattan anymore.

    Thankfully though, after living here for almost 35+ years, Manhattan hasn't burned to the ground yet! Been flooded out twice in those years, but hasn't burned to the ground yet! (as I jinx the town and doom everyone to a firey death. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by westksbowhunter View Post
    All I ever hear are the negatives about cedars. But when they started clearing them off all of the CRP areas 10 plus years ago the birds went with them. I will take cedars any day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BritChaser View Post
    Yep, the birds love them.
    Yep and they provide outstanding habitat for more than just pheasants. They are the reason my yard is full of song birds and rabbits.

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