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    Quote Originally Posted by BRITTMAN View Post
    Flip side is true also. I have run into some rather ornery and down right strange farmers out there. Banjo plays in the background. There were farms that my brother refused to visit or even call during hunting season because the guy was so darn angry or odd. But I get it. Farming can be a very difficult lifestyle often with high stress, loneliness, debt, divorce, family in-fighting (often your business partners) and alcoholism to name a few.

    Hunters also rarely know what prior experiences the landowner has had (recent or long ago) with other hunters. Politeness can be a two-way street.

    So which part of your description of the “farming lifestyle” differs from any other lifestyle ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goosemaster View Post
    I agree, some farmers are not friendly. All it takes, is one hunter pissing them off, and they will remember it, rest assured. I can almost look at a farm, and have an idea of weather U can get on. The nice farms, usually say no.Big farms, will have outfitters, or charge money.
    Naw...they just have good intuition. I hunt on absolutely fantastic farms, year after year, most are posted, keep the riff raff out....you know, the users, people who think they are entitled to it, yet wouldn't know the rancher or farmer from Adam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montana Husker View Post
    I know lots of locals who show up to help brand and combine....guess that is why we say: Montana, the last best place!
    That’s a little different than just showing up, asking what can you help with in exchange for hunting. The term “locals” is a little different than “someone off the street”. I doubt any farmer or rancher would welcome an unknown person to run the combine, or anything of consequence for that matter.

    The talk I’m referring to deals with introducing yourself and being prepared with gloves and work boots. I can’t see that flying with anyone, but other areas are different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goosemaster View Post
    I agree, some farmers are not friendly. All it takes, is one hunter pissing them off, and they will remember it, rest assured. I can almost look at a farm, and have an idea of weather U can get on. The nice farms, usually say no.Big farms, will have outfitters, or charge money.
    However, I'm going to help a guy at some point.The thing is, when you live hundreds of miles away, its hard to help.I know a guy, who only has 100 acres, that's all his dad gave him.He has a deep cut, loaded with birds of all kinds.He let me on, because I was by myself, and driving a 72 Ford. I am going to send him a gift at Christmas, and I would work out there. This guys dad, is a hard core, and never lets anybody hunt, unless they slip him a few C notes, which is not uncommon these days.

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    It’s not a customer store owner relationship. The farmer isn’t asking or wanting anyone to ask to hunt, it’s a hassle to deal with. No other occupation has people come in and ask for free stuff, then a lot of times act pissed that your not happy they did. I’d always ask if I could pay or do something. As for rude behavior you might be the last in a long line of people asking for something that farmer doesn’t want to give, and never wanted to be asked about.

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    Nothing really except maybe geographical isolation. There are happy people and angry people. Which are you ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRITTMAN View Post
    Nothing really except maybe geographical isolation. There are happy people and angry people. Which are you ?
    I have the ability to be both, as the situation warrants.

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    I have delivered meals into a field, repaired fencing and helped drive cattle down gravel roads (pasture to farm homestead). That said, I was more than familiar with these farmer/ranchers.

    Sending a gift and a thank you after a hunt or during the holidays is always nice.

    In ND accepting cash for hunting flips the liability of the landowner from none to full for any issues or accidents that may occur on his land.

    ND Century Code
    53-08-03. Not invitee or licensee of landowner.
    Subject to the provisions of section 53-08-05, an owner of land who either directly or
    indirectly invites or permits without charge any person to use such property for recreational
    purposes does not thereby:
    1. Extend any assurance that the premises are safe for any purpose;
    2. Confer upon such persons, or any other person whose presence on the premises is
    directly derived from those recreational purposes, the legal status of an invitee or
    licensee to whom a duty of care is owed other than a person that enters land to
    provide goods or services at the request of, and at the direction or under the control of,
    the owner; or
    3. Assume responsibility for or incur liability for any injury to person or property caused
    by an act or omission of such persons.

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    Unfortunately rural people probably have less access to help or are "too proud" to accept it.

    A study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) suggested that male farmers in 17 states took their lives at a rate two times higher than the general population in 2012 and 1.5 times higher in 2015. This, however, could be an underestimate, as the data collected skipped several major agricultural states, including Iowa. Rosmann and other experts add that the farmer suicide rate might be higher, because an unknown number of farmers disguise their suicides as farm accidents.
    In October 2017, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced that the rates of drug overdose deaths are rising in rural areas, surpassing rates in urban areas. In addition, a December 2017 survey by the National Farmers Union and the American Farm Bureau Federation found that as many as 74 percent of farmers have been directly impacted by the opioid crisis.

    Under the leadership of President Donald J. Trump, USDA is approaching the opioid crisis with a dedicated urgency. The opioid epidemic is devastating to its victims and their families. It has a compounding ripple effect throughout communities, affecting quality of life, economic opportunity, and rural prosperity. No corner of our country has gone untouched by the opioid crisis, but the impact of this issue on small towns and rural places has been particularly significant.
    Then there is SD's Meth problem which is apparently growing fastest in rural areas.


    By the way my family has been impacted by both of the above and alcoholism in major ways - tied primarily to rural / farm lifestyles.
    Last edited by BRITTMAN; 11-20-2019 at 12:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McFarmer View Post
    Some folks just get themselves crossways right off the start. This is a dialog from a phone call this morning, 7:30.

    Phone rings

    McFarmer : hello.

    Hunter: do you own land on the west side of the lake ?

    McFarmer: whoís calling ?

    Hunter: *states name*

    McFarmer: yes we do.

    Hunter: can I hunt there ?

    McFarmer: hunt what ?

    Hunter: geese.

    McFarmer: all this land is in a Canada goose refuge.

    Hunter: my buddies hunt geese all around the lake.

    McFarmer: well, I donít know about your buddies but this side of the lake is a refuge.

    Hunter: no, the only waterfowl protection area is south of the lake.

    McFarmer: I didnít say a protection area, I said refuge.

    Hunter: itís the same thing.

    McFarmer: whatever, I guess the answer is no.

    Hunter: oh. *hangs up*

    Letís hear some other landowner stories about how not to ask for permission, or how not to treat the privilege. Iíve had the pleasure of hosting many hunters, deer, duck, pheasant or whatever. Many bird watchers also. People who enjoy the outdoors are some of the nicest folks around. But, itís human nature to remember the bad apples longer than the others. Probably an evolutionary thing.

    Back in my glory days, I would ask to hunt anywhere and everywhere if I wanted to hunt it. I got turned down some, but I got let go more times than not. Alot of those cold calls,(ill never call or text to ask permission unless the relationship is already secure) turned into life long friendships, or which at this point in time, I have outlived most of those contacts. Plus, almost every piece of ground I earned permission on, is now DNR or federal land. The older I get, the less likely I am to ask, so there fore, I do less hunting and more fishing.. Two experiences stand out, actually 3. One has to do with pheasants.. I asked permission for a couple years in a row and got turned down, then I asked if I could hunt coyotes and that got my foot in the door... for good. But, if I went there when he wasnt busy, I had to take him hunting with me. Another situation centered around asking to hunt a fox on a piece of land back in the early 80s . Knocked on guys at 10:30 am on a saturday. Told him there was a fox out in his section and asked if he minded if I went out to try to get it. His face turned a Heinz Ketchup red, and he started poking me in the chest, saying no, absolutely not, and if you do go I'm going to call the sheriff. I proceeded to tell him that a simple no was sufficient, and Id be on my way. One other "situation" revolved around asking for another fox. About 830 on a saturday, I was met by the lady of the house at the front door, fresh out of the shower, if you get my drift.. She did have a gown on, but it left little to the imagination.. I drive by there occasionally and

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