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    Quote Originally Posted by westksbowhunter View Post
    That has been my point all along. Our management system is set up to capitalize on non resident hunters. It is squeezing out new resident hunters and phasing out the old hunters. We have so many special seasons and long seasons. Outfitters love it. How many 16 year old hunters can afford an outfitter or a lease?
    16-year-old hunters should be looking for adult mentors. And if a kid asks to go hunting, we should take them. Honestly, a 16 year old probably has a WAAAAAY better chance of knocking on a door and getting access compared to me. ha...

    I see your point about how the growth of leasing might be an unintended side effect of long seasons and minimal regs. On the other hand, long seasons and minimal regs have been great for me too. I get my "any season", "any whitetail" tag and I am good to go until I get my deer. It's great. I feel like I can still fulfill my obligations to family and work and there's plenty of time to work in a deer hunt here and there.

    Maybe there's a way to address your concerns about leasing without ditching this really user-friendly system we have now.

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    If leasing is the problem, regulate leasing. There are lots of common sense solutions, make landowners who lease private ground for hunting provide public access to an equivalent amount of acreage. Tax leases at higher rates and invest the money in funding public access or the wildlife department, etc. I’m sensitive to the leasing problem and the increasing gentrification of hunting, but anyone who thinks leasing is the root cause of hunter decline is misdiagnosing the ailment very, very badly. The opposite is more likely to be causally linked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toad View Post
    16-year-old hunters should be looking for adult mentors. And if a kid asks to go hunting, we should take them. Honestly, a 16 year old probably has a WAAAAAY better chance of knocking on a door and getting access compared to me. ha...

    I see your point about how the growth of leasing might be an unintended side effect of long seasons and minimal regs. On the other hand, long seasons and minimal regs have been great for me too. I get my "any season", "any whitetail" tag and I am good to go until I get my deer. It's great. I feel like I can still fulfill my obligations to family and work and there's plenty of time to work in a deer hunt here and there.

    Maybe there's a way to address your concerns about leasing without ditching this really user-friendly system we have now.
    The problem with the any season tag is that the majority of people who buy them don't understand that they can't use them on mule deer. Even hunters from the east side buy them and then go out west and tag a mule deer not knowing or get a ticket from a warden . Happens very frequently. The biggest issue is how they are sold. Vendors don't ask you what tag you want they just automatically give you the any season tag. As far a a 16 year old kid or even younger, well at that age I educated myself on the ways of the woods. I would just take off explorer or hunting not having to worry about getting chased off of someones lease. Purple paint everywhere keeps kids out. A high school kid should be able to go hunting on his own without an adult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.davis View Post
    If leasing is the problem, regulate leasing. There are lots of common sense solutions, make landowners who lease private ground for hunting provide public access to an equivalent amount of acreage. Tax leases at higher rates and invest the money in funding public access or the wildlife department, etc. I’m sensitive to the leasing problem and the increasing gentrification of hunting, but anyone who thinks leasing is the root cause of hunter decline is misdiagnosing the ailment very, very badly. The opposite is more likely to be causally linked.
    Well our KDWPT sites leasing as one of the major causes of hunter decline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westksbowhunter View Post
    Well our KDWPT sites leasing as one of the major causes of hunter decline.
    no doubt.....these guys are waving big money to strapped farmers for a couple weeks of deer hunting......can't blame them for taking it. will be a tough year for many many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.davis View Post
    If leasing is the problem, regulate leasing. There are lots of common sense solutions, make landowners who lease private ground for hunting provide public access to an equivalent amount of acreage. Tax leases at higher rates and invest the money in funding public access or the wildlife department, etc. I’m sensitive to the leasing problem and the increasing gentrification of hunting, but anyone who thinks leasing is the root cause of hunter decline is misdiagnosing the ailment very, very badly. The opposite is more likely to be causally linked.
    Make private landowners provide public access? Lol. I am afraid that may be the way the country is heading however. Landowners should be able to lease how much of their ground they want for whatever they can get. Hunting rights do pass with the land. For the record I don't lease any ground, but it's my right if I choose to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fsentkilr View Post
    Make private landowners provide public access? Lol. I am afraid that may be the way the country is heading however. Landowners should be able to lease how much of their ground they want for whatever they can get. Hunting rights do pass with the land. For the record I don't lease any ground, but it's my right if I choose to.
    agree, probably the only answer is regulating/limiting the number of permits allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fsentkilr View Post
    Make private landowners provide public access? Lol. I am afraid that may be the way the country is heading however. Landowners should be able to lease how much of their ground they want for whatever they can get. Hunting rights do pass with the land. For the record I don't lease any ground, but it's my right if I choose to.
    agree, probably the only answer is regulating/limiting the number of permits allowed. no real good answers here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter94 View Post
    agree, probably the only answer is regulating/limiting the number of permits allowed. no real good answers here.

    nterest in the Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) has remained high among Kansas farmers. National caps on the program were reduced in the 2014 Farm Bill, decreasing the total allowable acres by almost 50%. The CRP program is at its regulatory enrollment cap, and thus no general signup was conducted in 2018 although there was a limited signup for certain high priority buffer practices. This resulted in a net loss of enrollment of more than 106,000 CRP acres in Kansas in 2018. Hunters are unlikely to see any immediate population impact from these expirations. However, with nearly 1 million acres set to expire between 2020-2022, if this trend continues, significant population impacts are likely if suitable habitat on CRP lands is lost. The more immediate impact that hunters may see is to the Walk-In-Hunting Access (WIHA) program. A large portion of properties in the WIHA program include CRP and expirations may reduce quality or exclude properties from the program. At this point in time, the Kansas WIHA program remains strong, and nearly 1.2 million acres are enrolled (atlases are available at ksoutdoors.com/wiha or at any license vendor).


    next year will be a turning point......

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    Quote Originally Posted by fsentkilr View Post
    Landowners should be able to lease how much of their ground they want for whatever they can get.
    That’s what they are doing now and everybody’s crying about it. And I think they are probably right, even if I don’t think the solutions they propose are not really effective ways to mitigate the problems. That said, leasing land for hunting is an industry. And just like there are some (but probably not enough) regulations on all kind of other extractive industries, there’s no reason hunting leases shouldn’t also be regulated in a way that preserves and protects the public interest. Wildlife, after all, is not the possession of landowners.

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