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    For my lab i use a tone on collar if she is hunting i want her closer than 40 yards and it works great.After awhile she does it without tone.If i tone her and she does not obey and moves out to far i will tone her again if she does not listen then I will hit her with low charge.I never tone her
    If she's on a bird. i just have to stay close or catch up with her.If she gets on a running Bird i will let her go.Maybe some guys don't agree with that
    But for me i don't want to confuse her.I just give her a dirty look when she gets back.It does not happen that much

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAcDonTom1 View Post
    Does anyone know of an e-collar system that you can set up to correct the dog if it ranges out too far? I have a Dratharr that wants to get too far out and flush birds, he'll case pheasant that run I'd like to find a collar that automatically corrects him if he gets out more than 40 yards

    Maybe we could strap a collar on you and zap you so hard you do flip flops and mess your pants every time you miss a bird. Try teaching the dog simple obedience on lead first.

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    I am inferring from ye post that ye overall training experience is minimal. I would suggest that the major issue at hand is poor obedience training which equates to a lack of control. The further that dog gets out from you the less he perceives that he must comply with you. Obedience and control is first established on-lead much as has been suggested by westksbowhunter. I am doubtful that your dog has had thorough obedience training both on-lead and off - lead, and that it has then progressively been e-collar conditioned to well solidified and previously established and well known commands. E-collars do not train dogs - trainers train dogs. An e-collar in the right hands is a fantastic tool, in the wrong hands, an implement carried by a fool. There is a multitude of good reasons that the "auto stimulation" collar you have made inquiry about does not exist.

    My suggestion would be to align yeself and ye dog with a competent trainer. JMHO.

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    I've never used an e collar, but my advise is, to let the dog learn naturally.Just hunt a lot.This will produce a great dog.

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    Lots of advice here on this board. I believe the Garmin's alpha allows you to set a geo-fence around a set boundry that warns you when your dog breaches the boundry. Innotek years ago had a collar that would trip a release trap within whatever set distance to assist with dogs getting too close to their birds. Neither is what you had asked about nor is there anything I'm aware of with auto correction when your dog exceeds a set distance. Not sure it's what you really want either for some of the reasones noted by others already.

    Effective use of an e-collar, plenty of patience and even more repetion you can train your field companion to pattern within whatever range you want him to. Depending upon the type of sporting dog and it's genetic traits you will either be helping him develop a pattern that is more natural or training a completely new one. I find that a bigger running dog when young typically shortens up when they start to connect all the dots. It's one big reason of a few, why lots of good dogs don't make horseback and/or All Age strings. I suspect you have nothing to worry about that your dog has that type of range. Good luck and keep us up to date as to how he/she is coming along.
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    My high-prey dog loves to hunt by himself and couldn't care less where I am. Constant buzzing and occasional jolt to keep him in range.

    This goes on for the first hour or when he tires...he's 8 and not slowing down. Nephew's dog, female Lab, walks 10' in front of him and refuses to get into the slop/cattails. Never ranges - works too close to flush many birds.

    Point here - big difference in dogs, drive and probably training.

    When I send my dog on a "dead bird" retrieve, he knows there won't be and buzzing or jolt and he can range wherever, within reason. I've never corrected him on a retrieve, but often when too far out.

    Maybe when he's 10 things will change...I doubt it!
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    That's pretty good.

    Too many try to use a collar to mask their own laziness working with their dog. I have a fairly aggressive Lab that has slowed down a bit. He would chase a pheasant to the next county if I allowed it. Stopping him from running has not curbed his drive, it has taught him if he stays close he may end up with one in his mouth. Early on through working in non hunting situations I taught him to stay within shooting range. He now does it without correction. Literally I have shocked this dog 8-10 times in the 8 years I have had him. The collar should be a last resort not a first choice.

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    This is a crazy idea a drat is a pointing dog and should reach out well over 40 yards all the time.

    He should locate birds and point them until you arrive and YOU walk in front of him and flush the bird

    You really need to get with a good trainer of pointing breeds and get some solid advice and learn what they do how they hunt.

    What you are planning will ruin the dog

    FWIW Iíve been training pointing dogs since the mid 1960s Iím not trying to mock you. You just donít understand how your dog is bred to hunt.

    Get a mentor no inexperienced guy should touch an ecollar

    Pointers of all breed should normally range out atleast several hundred yards in a prairie type terrain mine will often be much farther out than that if the terrain justifies it.

    Inside forty yards is flushing dog range and you have to train the dog to hup ( which means sit and wait until being released ) at the toot of a whistle so you can catch up and allow him to continue to follow the bird heís working

    You wouldnít do this with a drat or any pointing breed
    Last edited by bobman; 11-12-2018 at 06:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goosemaster View Post
    I've never used an e collar, but my advise is, to let the dog learn naturally.Just hunt a lot.This will produce a great dog.
    Yep !

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