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    Default Best Location for an Upland Paradise

    So sometime in the next 5-10 years I could potentially have the opportunity to make a big decision. Buy a warm season only retirement residence in Northern MN with good nearby public access for fishing & Ruffed Grouse hunting opportunities. Or take a more expensive (but maybe more rewarding) road and look at a 1/4 section of property in a pheasant/upland bird state.

    Assuming I have the financial flexibility to purchase a decent chunk of marginal agricultural land for recreational purposes what locale has the best options. I would consider pheasant "production" a primary purpose but an area where pheasants & bobwhite quail could coexist would be really appealing too.

    The general area would have to have low (relatively speaking anyway) land prices

    The general area would need to have at least decent existing upland bird populations with some insulation from the whims of national farm policy

    The area would need to have good potential to enroll land in revenue producing conservation programs or have cash rent crop options that compliment/enhances the upland habitat

    Other good public upland hunting opportunities within a short drive would be important

    The upland habitat type would be such that I could generally handle the maintenance by myself with a small compliment of equipment

    I'm guessing the short list will include some combination of South Dakota near the MO river, southwest/south central Nebraska or north central Kansas but curious what other will say. Thank for any feedback.
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    What do you consider "affordable land" per acre?

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    I wouldn't over look iowa, good potential for both pheasant and quail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakeismydog2 View Post
    What do you consider "affordable land" per acre?
    Kind of relative depending on what kind of income the property could generate. If I had to pick a number it would be $2K an acre give or take depending on the situation. In NC Kansas even that could be tough $$ wise with CRP only $40-$50 an acre.

    General off the cuff & not totally researched business plan would be to put 1/4 to 1/3 of purchase price down & then cover 3-5 of the monthly payments each year with income off the property.

    For context I would definitely be targeting property with marginally productive cropland with some combination of other less commercially valuable but important characteristics. Wetlands, riparian areas, pasture/grassland etc.
    Last edited by Downtown Bang!; 12-24-2017 at 10:06 AM.
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    Downtown Bang! I think that before you begin to invest in an upland paradise you should first really think about what it is you really want. If all you want is access to great upland hunting opportunities then I would forget about buying property and think about just finding the best places to hunt for what it is you want to hunt and go do it. If you want to buy land so that you have a place to tinker around and try to establish some prime upland hunting ground then great but understand if you are going to do this right it is a lot of work. It may even be more work than you would be willing to do and then you either let it go or have to hire it done and that is hard people to do that kind of work and when you do find someone it is expensive. By the time you find the property, buy it, and unless it is already in CRP, you will most likely have to wait to enroll it. Then there is the cost of the equipment needed to maintain the property, property tax, fuel, your time maintaining it, and of course you will want to build something to live in so that you can stay on the property during hunting season. If you have the means and the inclination to do this I would be behind you 100%. If you are not sure about it and what you really want is great hunting then I would invest in that retirement residence in Northern MN, and really make it nice, it will appreciate in value, there will be little maintenance and then you can travel to some of the best hunting places in the US. If you squirrel away 1/4 of the money you will sink into the hunting paradise you could afford to take 3-4 hunting vacations a year to some of the best places and then supplement those trips with local hunts. Just my 2 cents..
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    ^^^^^^^^ This!

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    Very sound advice.
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    With all due respect NC I grew up on a farm in the Midwest that my family still owns (not an upland mecca option) and do have a pretty good handle on what it takes and what the costs are to have, work & maintain a property. If the financial opportunity to pursue a venture like this does present itself it will be done within my means, well researched and mostly for the satisfaction of building the habitat, conserving the land & sharing the rewards.

    Not ungrateful for the feedback but honestly just looking for some creative suggestions on what areas of the country remain that provide the best common sense opportunity for upland based recreational land ownership......
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    Downtown Bang thank you for your response to my reply. All the time I was writing it I was thinking this is going to make him mad and that was never my intent. I didn't know your background and because I am older than many on here & I have seen other people do things and I myself have done done things that I should have thought about with my head and less with my heart I just wanted to have you take a look at other options. I think your idea is a great one and if you decide to pull the trigger don't rule out Iowa especially NC & NW Iowa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NC IA Tail Chaser View Post
    Downtown Bang thank you for your response to my reply. All the time I was writing it I was thinking this is going to make him mad and that was never my intent. I didn't know your background and because I am older than many on here & I have seen other people do things and I myself have done done things that I should have thought about with my head and less with my heart I just wanted to have you take a look at other options. I think your idea is a great one and if you decide to pull the trigger don't rule out Iowa especially NC & NW Iowa.
    No worries NC and not mad at all. Apologize as my writing style (product of my work) on the interwebz can come across as blunt. By the posts above others also appreciated your comments.
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