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    Default Forecast is out

    http://ksoutdoors.com/Hunting/Upland...-Bird-Forecast
    Looks like ksbowhunter was right, pheasants are down in the in the west and SW, likely due to a spring Blizzard, suprise! The northern high plains will be down in a mirror of SW NE. I could not find brood counts yet. Overall looks like a fair season with quail still kicking butt Everyone is crying habitat, but numbers will be down in most of the last of the pheasant stronghold in the middle of the country this year for the second, yes second, year in a row. Take away the regional drought and there is a lot of pheasant habitat that is not populated where it should be. Something is going on other than weather. 2015 was the recent peak of numbers, and brood counts are half that in most of the pheasant range.

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    pheasants are down everywhere in their range........yes, some thing is going on and it is not good!

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    anybody know when the brood survey comes out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by watermen View Post
    http://ksoutdoors.com/Hunting/Upland...-Bird-Forecast
    Looks like ksbowhunter was right, pheasants are down in the in the west and SW, likely due to a spring Blizzard, suprise! The northern high plains will be down in a mirror of SW NE. I could not find brood counts yet. Overall looks like a fair season with quail still kicking butt Everyone is crying habitat, but numbers will be down in most of the last of the pheasant stronghold in the middle of the country this year for the second, yes second, year in a row. Take away the regional drought and there is a lot of pheasant habitat that is not populated where it should be. Something is going on other than weather. 2015 was the recent peak of numbers, and brood counts are half that in most of the pheasant range.
    Habitat loss. Everyday I see a CRP field being cut for hay. Lots of CRP being tilled under. Guys get on here and say all summer how good the habitat looks and that could not be any further than the truth. For the last 3 years, habitat has been lost at a high rate. As far as seeing cover on field edges, ditches, and draws, it isn't any better than any other year. You just have people on this site that drive through the state a couple of times a year and once a summer and think everything is great and that just isn't true. I live here and I am an avid upland hunter and have been since the early 70's. Had we not had the ice storm, blizzard, the rain, and the hail, we would have had a decent year. Lots of birds were paired up early due to the warm weather and then we got hammered in late April. Lots of areas had 100% hail damaged wheat crops. More hail this year than I have ever seen. And we lost adult pheasants and not just chicks. Just a disaster. I read the report and it is much worse than what the forecast reads. They won't report that because they want to keep out of state hunters coming to Kansas. I hate to toot my own horn, but I warned everyone how bad it would be. Sometimes I think we have a few on here that serve the commissioners.

    By the way, I would take drought conditions over a very wet spring any day for a quality pheasant hatch.
    Last edited by westksbowhunter; 09-14-2017 at 06:06 PM.

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    i came out last season, birds were damn scarce.....i follow the reports all summer long, the blizzard in May, the hail all summer long.......not this year, thanks.
    and i have no use for GF or their over paid biologists.....this ain't rocket science, boys.

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    Think there is a correlation?
    https://www.fsa.usda.gov/Assets/USDA..._16byState.pdf
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    There you have it. Some just can't wrap their minds around the habitat thing. Look at what the quail have done. Good habitat + good weather = birds. West Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas.... some of these areas have been as good the last few years as they've EVER been. Pheasants don't have the same requirements. You can't lose 10,000,000 acres of prime habitat and not expect a reduction in numbers.

    Take quail where I live near Tulsa. There will NEVER be birds here again. We've altered the landscape too much. Too fragmented. Move west of I 35 and you're in good shape. It really isn't rocket science but many want something more ominous to blame.. hawks, disease, etc. sure all play a role but they're not the driving force. Study after study after study has shown the importance of habitat.

    Unless things change, Kansas hunters should just remember 2010 as the last great year for pheasants. Change expectations and maybe you won't be disappointed. Unless the trend on that graph changes, you better get used to it.
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    well said, the weather is just the kicker to it all........good or bad, better or worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akp View Post
    There you have it. Some just can't wrap their minds around the habitat thing. Look at what the quail have done. Good habitat + good weather = birds. West Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas.... some of these areas have been as good the last few years as they've EVER been. Pheasants don't have the same requirements. You can't lose 10,000,000 acres of prime habitat and not expect a reduction in numbers.

    Take quail where I live near Tulsa. There will NEVER be birds here again. We've altered the landscape too much. Too fragmented. Move west of I 35 and you're in good shape. It really isn't rocket science but many want something more ominous to blame.. hawks, disease, etc. sure all play a role but they're not the driving force. Study after study after study has shown the importance of habitat.

    Unless things change, Kansas hunters should just remember 2010 as the last great year for pheasants. Change expectations and maybe you won't be disappointed. Unless the trend on that graph changes, you better get used to it.
    See here we go again. You would have to be completely crazy to think that Kansas quail hunting is anywhere near as good as it has "EVER" been. It is improved, yes. Is it anywhere near what it was in the past, not even close. If you have only hunted quail in the last 25 years, then it is easy to be mistaken. Quail habitat is worse than the pheasant habitat in Kansas. The pheasant and quail hatches occur at completely different times of the year. Plus quail will raise several broods a year wear pheasants basically only raise one.
    Last edited by westksbowhunter; 09-14-2017 at 08:57 PM.

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    West, you're welcome to reread my post five or six times..... SOME... ask the guys in west Texas if it's ever been better than last year. Damn, you like to argue. I thought I was agreeing with you to some extent but you can't even recognize that.

    If 25+ coveys a day is not as good as it's ever been then I stand corrected. Maybe not where you hunt but I was generalizing.

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