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    Default Midwest lab breeders

    Looking for a black lab, next spring. I know it's early but want to he able to do my homework on breeders. I want something smaller in size, preferably in 50-60 pound range. This dog will be hunted for pheasants, grouse and waterfowl. Not looking for a pointing lab. I live in Minnesota, but am willing to travel to SD, ND, WI, IA too for the right dog. I'm hoping you guys can help point me in the right direction. Thanks in advance.
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    How much do you want to spend? British labs seem to run in the $900-2500 range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey View Post
    I live in Minnesota, .
    In your neighborhood these folks have been in British Labs for a LONG time. Probably right at the beginning of the wave when it was a wavelet. I have never owned one of their dogs but they have a reputation for good stock. Not sure if you will find the size you want though.

    http://britishlabradors.com/aboutus.aspx

    The breeding kennel BritishLabradors.com was founded in 1987 by Dennis and Janice Anderson. The kennel's original name, changed in 2000, was Queensland International Gundog Kennel.
    Another longtime British lab breeder is Robert Milner. He started Wildrose Kennels back in 1972 and brought in his first British lab in 1983. He now runs DuckHill Kennels outside of Memphis. I've been there and done a seminar with him. Great facility. He has a LOT of British Labs. If you are really looking for a small 50-60 pound male, this is probably where you will truly find that. Robert sells "Canoe Labradors". I've seen them and they are great working dogs. The Canoe stud dogs are 50 pound males.

    http://www.duckhillkennels.com/dogs/canoelabs.php

    I know Memphis is a bit outside of your desired range but if you're really after a male of that size, I think that's about the only place I know of that will have both the British lineage and the size you desire. What the heck? One long round-trip to Memphis for a great companion of a decade or more? ROAD TRIP!!!

    <edit> After looking at the pedigrees of the available Canoe Studs, I'd pick Tibea Duckflight for the sire of my pup...if I was buying.I like the Buccleuch bloodline in there along with the Tibea, Pocklea, Leadburn and Drakeshead inputs. That pedigree mixes some of the very best kennels in the UK. </edit>

    Good luck! A new pup is such fun. Takes 10 year off you!
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    I'm thinking somewhere in the $1000-$1500 range. Thanks guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey View Post
    Looking for a black lab, next spring. I know it's early but want to he able to do my homework on breeders. I want something smaller in size, preferably in 50-60 pound range. This dog will be hunted for pheasants, grouse and waterfowl. Not looking for a pointing lab. I live in Minnesota, but am willing to travel to SD, ND, WI, IA too for the right dog. I'm hoping you guys can help point me in the right direction. Thanks in advance.
    A friend of mine has a dog from Old Oak Retievers. He has a yellow male that tops out just under 60 pounds. I have hunted with the dog a number of times. He is really nice. The dog has a nice even temperament and tons of natural ability. He takes training really well. My friend hunts him about 50/50 waterfowl and pheasants. He is getting a 2nd from Old Oak next spring.

    http://www.oldoakretrievers.com

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    No need to leave Minnesota. If your looking for a quality hunting dog, it does not get any better than Holzinger. Do your research and you will see. Here is the link. Make sure you get a puppy from a sire and dam that has all the health clearences including hip certification, elbow certification, eye certification, CNM, EIC clear, etc. Look for a breeding with titled dogs as this shows the owner has put in the time to train the dogs. Most every female are going to be in the 50-60 range. My male came from all FC and AFC breedings and he turned out to point naturally. And happens to be the greatest pheasant and duck dog I have owned. So don't sell yourself short on pointing labs. Doesn't matter the breeding, some point naturally.

    http://www.holzingerkennels.com/
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    For $1000-1500 you can buy one heck of a well bred dog right here in MN. Lots of nice litters from small breeders. Wildlife Kennels, StonyBrook, Blu moon. etc.
    Heck I've never spent over $1100 for a pup....
    PM And Ill let you know of any nice litters I know of. Any breeding I recommend will come from healthy, quality dogs, with all health guarantees.

    Stay away from Robert Milner of Duckhill or Wildrose, he is a marketing guru But as a breeder/trainer he couldn't find his ass with both hands.

    PS I'm not a breeder and have nothing to gain i just like to see people get the most dog they can. Their are far to unscrupulous crooks out there selling crap. IE silver labs, labradoodles, canoe labs, etc.
    "We give dogs time we can spare, space we can spare and love we can spare. And in return, dogs give us their all. It's the best deal man has ever made." M.Facklam

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    Well, having actually been to one of Milner's 4 day training seminars, watching his dogs work, watching him help train other people's dogs, seeing the improvements in other people's dogs, I would have to disagree.

    But that's my opinion and everyone has their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chestle View Post
    Well, having actually been to one of Milner's 4 day training seminars, watching his dogs work, watching him help train other people's dogs, seeing the improvements in other people's dogs, I would have to disagree.

    But that's my opinion and everyone has their own.
    FYI. I have been to a seminar as a handler put on by Robert Milner. I have also been to seminars put on by Danny Farmer, Rick Stawski, Alan pleasant, Steve Yozamp, Mark Patton, and Evan Graham...... I've probably missed a couple. Most of these seminars I was there is a handler as well as student some I was there just as an student. Some of these seminars have been great some not so much but I did learn something at everyone of them except Mr Milners. Honestly I felt that maybe he was getting a little old and senile, it was actually kind of sad. I think his seminar was 6-7 years ago. At this point he was still trying to breed dogs within the breed standard. It wasn't until recently he started his foolish endeavor of trying to breed an extremely small dog and calling it a canoe lab and charging crazy money. I never would have given him my money had I known he would do this to the amazing breed the Labrador is
    "We give dogs time we can spare, space we can spare and love we can spare. And in return, dogs give us their all. It's the best deal man has ever made." M.Facklam

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    I bought a dog from DH 6 years ago. A sweet girl with high degree of game finding and a great retriever. The problem is she is scared of her own shadow. I called Milner and told him she was gun shy. He said no problem he could fix her in a month. Long story short after him having her for 3 months and $2500 later she is as scared as before of everything. I ask if they could do something on another dog and they really didn't offer much. Anyway I have a sweet house dog

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