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Thread: Would it be ethical to have my Setter Bred?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakeismydog2 View Post
    I have seen a dog with false pregnancies still have issues after being spayed. Poor girl lost a few nipples while hunting.

    Curious why it still would have happened?

    My 1st setter's went away after she was spayed, I did also have the vet remove most of the breast tissue as well.

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    I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise from breeding, or to get a dog from a reputable breeder, etc. etc.
    Rather though, I can tell you that having your dog health tested is a real benefit in that you might think that she has good hips, heart, eyes, thyroid, or elbows, or what have you, and she very well could. But she also could be a carrier for bad hips, thyroid, etc. and can obviously throw that in the litter.

    In my breed, it certainly is important to test for this sort of thing, and have proof of this, in order to place pups. I can guarantee you I wouldn't buy from a owner that didn't health test their dog. Yes, it won't stop the pups from displaying the traits, but it certainly helps hedge your bets against having those negative traits.

    But to each their own.

    "If you're a breeder with more than 4 or 5 dogs, having all of them in the house and involved with family is simply not going to happen. Not enough time in the day."

    This is simply false. If a person dedicates the time to the puppies and the dogs, then absolutely it can and is done. We raised a litter. The pups were in the kitchen. We have more then 4 or 5 dogs in the house. We made sure that the pups were handled, and played with and ran almost every day. They ran through the house, the yard, on 1200 acres. They were on pigeons, quail. They took trips to Colorado, on hunting trips, and all over the place. They met kids, dogs, strange people. We had a set up so they were practically on their way to housebreaking when they went home. They watched everything that went on in the kitchen. So to say that is simply not going to happen is simply false. All of that being said, I don't have kids or the various things that go along with that.

    That being said, raising a litter in the home is certainly appealing and I think a lot of people like that.

    As far as the original question is concerned, I don't see that there is a ethical problem with it per se. My bitch has had a false pregnancy. That wasn't an issue in our decision to breed her.

    But for other reasons, I don't think I will breed her again.

    Golden, heart murmurs, from my research is not an inherited trait. Check that. Some can be, some aren't. At least that's what I'm hearing. I have a call in to a heart specialist to confirm.

    Shane, I'm not talking down to you, and hope it doesn't appear that way. I've always felt that we have very similar outlooks on things here.
    If you need any help, don't hesitate to call or PM. I'm not super experienced either, but sometimes another way of doing things can help out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by V-John View Post


    Golden, heart murmurs, from my research is not an inherited trait. Check that. Some can be, some aren't. At least that's what I'm hearing. I have a call in to a heart specialist to confirm.
    My one pup that I referred to had a valve that didn't close when it was born, but I couldn't sell it to that person without revealing the condition. I checked with the University of Minnesota and the fix was $5,000! I then offered the puppy to the buyer for free and told her what it would take to fix the valve. She declined the dog and I gave it to a rescue organization. But I do agree with you on having your dog tested. I can't stress the importance of that enough!

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    Quote Originally Posted by V-John View Post
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    Shane, I'm not talking down to you, and hope it doesn't appear that way. I've always felt that we have very similar outlooks on things here.
    If you need any help, don't hesitate to call or PM. I'm not super experienced either, but sometimes another way of doing things can help out.


    Dont think so at all. And I agree that over the years it has appeared we have had similar outlooks on things.


    Still mulling my decision, but am thinking I will look to breed her then have her spayed after.


    Anyone have an opinion on Morris Gundogs? He's near Manhattan I believe so VJohn you may have heard of him.


    Today I went out with my buddy - only hunted 3 quarters, found 6 possibly 7 coveys of quail and about 15-20 pheasants, 2 roosters in range pointed, one in the bag, the other I was practicing a conservation technique using my gun and simply scaring the bird so he learns not to hold the next time. HA

    According to the Alpha Rosie ran just over 20 miles Not sure why I didnt buy one of these earlier - neat little tool. Was able to "watch" her handle a couple coveys of quail in the plum thickets. You could tell they were running quite a bit on her as she had to point/relocate a few times - she was about 250 yards away from us when she pinned them at the property line at the road. Without it I'd have spent the following 30 mins or hour looking for her. Thanks to it we were able to go right to her and move on with our hunt. My buddy ended up with 2 in one shot from that bunch. Great day to take off work.

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    Ain't Garmins great?

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