Conversation Between Prairie Drifter and greatlawn

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  1. I tend to prefer plums, either sand plum or American. I also like fragrant sumac, choke cherry, and golden currants. Coral berry and buck brush also have merit. I try to stay away from exotic species. All we need is something else to control.
  2. What bush do you prefer for quail? I am thinking of doing a planting next spring. The farm is in Neosho Rapids KS.
  3. Frequently, the limiting factor with quail is brood-rearing cover. I have an article titled the Rainey Farm where a farmer just dropped his disk in the nesting cover and drove around like a drunk making irregular strips through the cover. I believe in 4 years he went from 16 coveys to 64. That indicates just how important it is to know what the limiting factor is for your place. Significant improvements can often be gained just by addressing your limiting factor. I don't know if you've been to my wildlife area's website, but there are several good videos (other than having to look at my mug) there that address conditions and management for quail. The agency website is It's a bit of a journey to the Byron Walker Wildlife Area page, but go to: hunting, where to hunt, public land, region 4, and Byron Walker. Good Hunting!
  4. The funny part about this whole thing is that before we started doing anything we were down to one huntable covey. Last year we had three. Guess what kind of cover we found all three. BRUSH PILES. I have been paying attention to each covey to see if they are using something that is not being done. I guess I am trying to be a good student.
  5. It is hard to deal with folk's misconceptions. We have some of those on this boards! Once they believe something, it's set in concrete no matter how much evidence there is to the contrary! The thing is, nothing stands still. Although many things about a species are constant across their range, some things aren't. Rainfall, need for winter cover, cover types used to nest in tend to change across the range and you have to adjust your management respectively.
  6. Thanks Sometimes I feel like banging my head against wall. I have spent time watching the videos and reading. They think I am going to cut all the trees down. I will try the google earth image and see if that helps them understand.

    Thanks Jeff
  7. Jeff, Convincing anyone of things they don't want convinced of is an almost impossible task. You could get them to camp in front of youtube videos that show the techniques and talk of their benefit if they'd sit for it. Probably won't. My best advice is to take them out in the winter when our birds need the cover the worst and have them look under the canopied timber and see just how little cover there really is at ground level. Then get permission to do some half cutting/edge feathering and take them out again a day or two after the snow and show them the tracks of everything that is using the cover. Also, get aerial photos of their place for each 10 years for as long as you can go back and show them the amount of increase there has been in the woody portion on their watch! Hope this works. Yes, getting more cover down where the birds are and reducing canopied woody cover will help your birds.
  8. Praire Drifter, Thanks for all your responses to my posts. The information is invaluable. I do have a question. The farm I work on is my uncle and cousins. They don't believe you should do anything. What are your thoughts on edge feathering, down tree structures etc. I do not think you should cut everything down. Nothing has been done to this place for 50 years it is way over grown. I have done alot of brush hogging just to kind of reset and let the thickets come back naturally and get some soil disturbance for weed production. How do I convince someone that this will work?

    Thanks Jeff
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