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Dakotazeb
02-13-2010, 11:17 PM
I was surfing gunBroker.com and ran across a Smith & Wesson Elite Gold SXS. I didn't realize S&W had made a SXS. Looks like a really nice shotgun. Has anyone out there had any experience with one of these?

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad181/dakotazeb/LGSmith_and_Wesson_Left_045-1196x27.jpg

VZWman
02-14-2010, 01:29 AM
I have no experience with that gun, but I wouldn't mind popping a few rounds through it.

onpoint
02-14-2010, 07:59 AM
It's made in Turkey for Smith & Wesson. They don't build the gun

Dakotazeb
02-14-2010, 11:39 AM
True, they are made in Turkey, but the new S&W shotguns are a ground-up creation, done in-house by S&W itself. And the factories that are producing these guns were also built from scratch and are producing exclusively for S&W, under rigorous scrutiny.

All the reviews I've read are very positive. They say the guns have an amazing fit & finish.

Looking on GunBroker.com it looks like a new one could be had for around $1,500. But then I could maybe find a nice used BSS for the same money. Wonder how the S&W would compare to a BSS?

onpoint
02-14-2010, 12:25 PM
Would really like to handle one but like many guns I like. It's rare to find one on the shelf. I will go with your corection. Now that you say it. Your right, S&W does own the factory. You Jared my memory

bobeyerite
02-14-2010, 01:14 PM
George, I don't know much about the gun I have not seen them in the stores. It would depend how willing S&W are to stand behind the gun if something should go wrong. Broken firing pin or something like that..........Bob

Dakotazeb
02-14-2010, 01:38 PM
With S&W's reputation and considering how long they have been around I wouldn't worry about it. They have obviously invested a lot in this new facility in Turkey so I can't believe they would just walk away. Looks like a long-term commitment to me.

I'd like to see on of their SXS's. I do wish the gun had a butt plate instead of just checkered wood. But that would be easily remedied.

Uncle Buck
02-15-2010, 10:51 AM
They are nice guns, I have had one in my hands. Staright stock or Churchill grip(Like Browning Round knob). Fast and lite like a good Europeon gun. They also make and o/u at same factoryt in Turkey as previously described. I had hoped to see one at the Gunshow but did not. Curiously noted, there were a lot of Brownings BSS there, $1,200 to $2,000. THEY ARE WELL MADE GUNS, BUT TOO HEAVY FOR A SXS IN MY OPINION AND REGARDLESS OF THOSE THAT ARE STRAIGHT STOCKED, THEY ALL HAVE BEAVERTAIL FORE ENDS.
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airmedic1
02-15-2010, 05:14 PM
The one I held was rather clubby feeling. Thick in the wrist and was VERY heavy. If I remember right it was way over 7 lbs for the 20 ga.:eek:
You can buy a much better gun for a lot less money IMO.:thumbsup:

Uncle Buck
02-15-2010, 06:36 PM
I do not recall that it was heavy. Thick in the wrist, possibly as a lot of boxlocks are. These guns list a good bit higher than the $1,500 you can get them for--like $2,300.
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Dakotazeb
02-15-2010, 09:13 PM
The one I held was rather clubby feeling. Thick in the wrist and was VERY heavy. If I remember right it was way over 7 lbs for the 20 ga.:eek:
You can buy a much better gun for a lot less money IMO.:thumbsup:

You must be confusing this with another gun. S&W lists them at about 6.5 lbs. Nothing I have read indicated they were heavy or clubby.

Uncle Buck, Are you saying the S&W is better than a BSS? I had a BSS 20 ga. 26" barrels when they first came out. Sold it in 1985 for $285 when I needed some funds. Wish I had never done that. Personally I like the beavertail forends and I don't remember the BSS as being heavy. But that was 25 years ago. I always thought it was a well made gun.

airmedic1
02-15-2010, 10:27 PM
S&W might list them as 6.5 pounds but the one that I looked at and had weighed was greater than 7 pounds. That is not uncommon for gun manufacturers to be very generous in their estimations of weight.
My Franchi Destino is supposed to weigh 6 3/4 pounds and actually weighs 7 pounds 6 ounces.:eek: I think they usually say something about wood density etc. I think that is way too heavy for a 20ga field gun. Box locks don't have to be thick in the wrist and I remember the S&W being thicker than I like.
It all boils down to what you like for your money. In my case I wouldn't buy one. For $1500 you can pick up a new AYA #4, a classic upland field gun that does only weigh a little over 6 pounds and that's in 12 ga.:thumbsup:

Uncle Buck
02-16-2010, 06:46 PM
You must be confusing this with another gun. S&W lists them at about 6.5 lbs. Nothing I have read indicated they were heavy or clubby.

Uncle Buck, Are you saying the S&W is better than a BSS? I had a BSS 20 ga. 26" barrels when they first came out. Sold it in 1985 for $285 when I needed some funds. Wish I had never done that. Personally I like the beavertail forends and I don't remember the BSS as being heavy. But that was 25 years ago. I always thought it was a well made gun.

Not better, just heavier and personal preference. The Browning was very well made in Japan. They also made a very rare sxs sidelock more to my style. I wished I had bought a bunch of BSS before they went out of site. I found one for a guy that I guided once for $450--about 2001 I beleive. I beleive you are correct at 6.5#.
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Uncle Buck
02-16-2010, 06:49 PM
AYA Model 4 or 4-53? $1,500 Haven't seen it. I'll have to weigh my Destino. I am sure it weighs a little more than my Spanish sxs.
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Dakotazeb
02-16-2010, 06:56 PM
Here's a BSS I've been eyeing.

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad181/dakotazeb/wm_1792473.jpg

bobeyerite
02-16-2010, 07:51 PM
Looks to be a very nice gun George, I could go for that myself. Only my wife said I have to many new guns already........Bob

onpoint
02-16-2010, 08:23 PM
The BSS Browning's are a outstanding gun. Only draw back to them is no choke tubes, just like my Citori 20ga feather light. Mine has too thin of barrel's to put tubes in also. That might be something to consider when buying any of the SxS's without tubes. You may be stuck with a fixed choke gun that only shoots high dollar Prem non toxic only. That's if the lead ban continues to grow.

Onpoint

Dakotazeb
02-16-2010, 08:45 PM
That BSS is a 20 ga. with 26" barrels choked IC/Mod. With the IC/Mod chokes I don't care if they are fixed as it's the only chokes I'd use anyway even if it had tubes. It will work for 99% of what I'd use it for.

onpoint
02-16-2010, 09:08 PM
Much better chokes then my Citori which is Imp Mod and Full but remember those are lead shot chokes. If your barrel's a very thin walled. They may not put up with shooting steel shot though them

Just something to think about, if you were forced to go to a non toxic shot.

If your like me, you will still buy it and work around that problem if the price is right

RPG

Dakotazeb
02-16-2010, 09:40 PM
They might be lead shot chokes but they should handle some #4 steel used only occasionally. Or am I wrong on this? It's not like I'd be shooting much steel or any large size shot.

Uncle Buck
02-18-2010, 01:41 PM
I think you are more than ok with #4 steel ic and mod. Most of my sxs are ic and mod which is what I would have in there for pheasants anyway. I have a 12 Uggie with the odd combo of ic and full per the barrel stamps. Some say you should measure or pattern some of the Euro guns to see what you really have. My Grulla is mod and full and I sure shot a lot of birds before I retired it.
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double gun nut
12-20-2010, 02:58 AM
I own an Elite Gold 20 gauge with double triggers and 28 inch barrels. I bought it as an interim 20 gauge SXS because I was unable to find a nice graded 20 gauge Ansley Fox with 28 inch barrels.

The gun has better fit and finish than most new $3,000 plus SXSs--only noted flaws are several checkering tool nicks into checkering panel edges. My only concern is whether the metallurgy is such that the gun wears slowly and remains tight after several years use.

The gun weighs 6 pounds 7 ounces.

The gun did not fit me: comb was too high and length was 15.1 inch. I lowered the comb to 1 and 9/16 and the heel to 2 and 1/8. The stock was then shaped to flow into the comb such that the comb was indented on each side so my thumb laid into the indent when resting against the comb--like most English stocked SXSs. I also put on a 0.6 inch decelerator pad ending up with stock length, from the front trigger, of 14 5/16 inch. The "wrist" is certainly not thick--if anything it is now thin and just right. I can now mount the gun and it is on target with no adjustment.

I took the gun to the gun club and shot 21/25 which was better than I did with my 12 gauge CE Ansley Fox. In mid October I took the S and W to South Dakota for a pheasant shoot and the gun proved to be deadly--few misses.

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onpoint
12-20-2010, 07:36 AM
IMO, they are one of the best buys in a SxS that you can get right now. They were meant to be a $2500 gun when they came out. They are selling for around $1200 on Gunbroker. Available with single trigger and auto ejectors and with the quality of wood and fit and finish. They are a steal.

I wouldn't wore about early ware. If there was a wore, they wouldn't have put a heirloom warranty on them. For those of you who don't know what kind of warranty that is. It's for longer then a for lifetime warranty. I would say they are willing to stand behind the gun. They are built in a S&W plant in Turkey from what I understand. Smith over see's every move in the manufacturing process.

I would buy one.

airmedic1
12-23-2010, 12:24 AM
The wrist is considerably thicker than either my AYA 4/53 in 16ga or my Merkel 1620. But if the Merkel's wrist was thicker maybe it wouldn't have broken and I wouldn't have it being restocked right now either.:confused: