PDA

View Full Version : High velocity 20 Ga. shells?



ducksoup
12-13-2009, 03:31 AM
I've noticed the trend in the last several years of the 12 ga. lead shot field ammo getting faster and faster with most all manufacturers making 1450fps to 1500fps loads. Most upland hunters love the extra speed and energy. Does anyone offer these faster loadings in a 20 ga.? I only see the old standard 1250fps to 1300fps. You'd think with the advances in smokeless powder technology this would have been a natural.

DennyJ
12-13-2009, 09:48 AM
Look at Federal. They have what you are looking for

Dakotazeb
12-13-2009, 09:50 AM
Federal makes their 20 ga. Pheasant Forever loads in 2 3/4" and 3" both at 1,350 fps. That's faster than any other factory loads to my knowledge. I've shot these in 12 ga for years and love them.

bobeyerite
12-13-2009, 07:35 PM
I have some Winchester copper plated that go out 1300. They work very well I am afraid to go faster for fear I'll blow the pattern. That could be an old wife tale on the pattern bit........Bob

JMc
12-13-2009, 09:49 PM
I thought I saw some Fiocchi Golden Pheasant 20ga at or around 1500...you might check around.

JPH
12-13-2009, 10:22 PM
I don't think anyone makes a lead 20 ga load in the 1400 fps or faster range. The Fiochii 3", 1 1/4 0z loads run 1200 fps, Winchester Super Pheasant loads of the same dimensions run 1250 fps. The Federal loads have a 1350 fps velocity, they tend to cost a bit more anyplace I have seen them.

Some 2 3/4" 20 ga loads may have a bit faster velocity, but the payload is 1 oz.

All that being said, I shoot the Fiochii GP or Win SP in 3" # 5 with great results out of my Benelli M1 with a factory IC choke.

moellermd
12-13-2009, 10:44 PM
I shoot the Federal PF 20ga loads. They work well for me.

bobeyerite
12-13-2009, 11:42 PM
I have some in my hand the labels reads; Winchester Super X Super Pheasant. 20 gauge 2 3/4 inches 1300 FPS, One (1) ounce of copper plated shot. I have them in 6's and 5's. The box is silver in color, with red print.......Bob

wisturkeyhunter
12-17-2009, 03:13 PM
Kinda suprised somebody doesn't load a light payload in a 3 inch shell to get more speed. I'd think 1 1/8 in a 3 inch 20 gauge could be 1,400+

moellermd
12-17-2009, 04:04 PM
Kinda suprised somebody doesn't load a light payload in a 3 inch shell to get more speed. I'd think 1 1/8 in a 3 inch 20 gauge could be 1,400+

I very well could be wrong on this one but I will throw it out there anyway. I do not reload shot shells but, it is my understanding that the powder charge in a magnum 2 3/4 and a magnum 3in is the same. The benefit of the 3in is that you can get a greater shot load in them. Both are loaded to the max pressure deemed safe. Looking at Federals web site I see that a 2 3/4 and a 3 in 1oz shot shell has the same amount of powder and velocity. This leads me to believe I am correct. I am sure someone will point out that I am not. :)

bobeyerite
12-17-2009, 04:23 PM
I think chuck is right, the weight of the shot 1 1/8 ounce pushed up to that speed, could cause a pressure problem. You will notice most mag loads actually travel slower than the average 2 3/4 inch regular high base hunting load. This you will find is true in all gauges......Bob

tmrichardson
12-17-2009, 09:37 PM
Far as I know everyone--Federal, Winchester, remington, Kent--makes a 20 load in the 1350 fps range. I've had the best luck with remingtons nitro pheasant loads.

I'm not aware of anyone loading either 20 or 12 gauge LEAD loads to 1500 fps--I don't see why they would want to.

For STEEL yes a number of folks load that fast--there it has some practical purpose as the higher velocity overcomes some of the lack of energy that lighter steel pellets carry when compared to lead. I shoot more steel at pheasants these days and it's all over 1400 fps stuff. Remington again--nitro-steel in this case--works the best for me, better than lead in fact.

gracierator
12-18-2009, 11:30 AM
tmrichardson- you are right on the steel, I shoot Winchester Xpert in steel and they are 1550 fps in #4 -12ga. Out of my Benelli M2 they are deadly on pheasant.

ducksoup
12-18-2009, 04:16 PM
Yes, I've found several steel loads in that 1400 to 1500 fps and that's why I don't understand why it can't be done with lead shot? I've used 1-1/8 oz 3" reloads at about 1250 fps that have worked in the past. I don't reload that much anymore but I would like to see some faster lead pheasent loads for the 20 ga. Maybe some day if the demand is there.

pheasantaddict
12-18-2009, 09:26 PM
Yes, there are 12 ga lead loads 1400-1500.

pheasent89
12-19-2009, 04:34 PM
If interested in reloading , I use a 17.8 grains of Hogden Longshot -1oz of shot -Rem sp-20 wads- win. 209 primers. Excellent pheasant load , I make #5s for the top barrel and #6s for the bottom. I started using it last year and I love it.

bobeyerite
12-19-2009, 04:51 PM
Yes, I agree Pheasent89, I have been using that load for several years. It really does work very well. We are a lot alike in our hunting methods. I load my O/U the same way......Bob

ducksoup
12-20-2009, 03:16 AM
Longshot must be a recent addition to Hodgdon's lineup? Also looks good out of the 12 ga. with 1-1/4 oz. loads. Gets you in that 1400+ fps catagory.

bobeyerite
12-20-2009, 05:19 PM
Sorry to tell you Longshot has been around for quite a while. It is one of the best powders Hodgdon makes. It is very versatile and works well. If you try to use in a gas operated auto. Like the Rem. 1100 and 11-87 don't it burns to slow. It will make your gun jam up with unburned powder. It is a bear cat to clean it all out, I know just ask me, I have a 11-87......Bob

niceshot
12-20-2009, 06:16 PM
Maybe an ultralight 12 guage would be a safer alternative.

ducksoup
12-26-2009, 03:49 PM
I have an A-5 light in a 12ga. that I really enjoy but I just love hunting with a light 20. I have a Huglu 20ga. Redhead O/U and I'm looking for a Citori lightning in 20. I had one 15 years ago that I had to sell and I've regretted it ever since.

hayduke
12-28-2009, 07:21 PM
So to all those who use those fast Remington Nitro pheasant loads and the Federal Pheasant Forever loads are you paying $24-$25 bucks a box.............
If so that's way too rich for my blood. I shoot the Golden Pheasant at $13-14 slower but much less $$ and when you're on the birds and hit them they fall dead........... the roosters out at 50 -60 yds I'd need my 270 to kill anyway :)

moellermd
12-28-2009, 10:30 PM
So to all those who use those fast Remington Nitro pheasant loads and the Federal Pheasant Forever loads are you paying $24-$25 bucks a box.............
If so that's way too rich for my blood. I shoot the Golden Pheasant at $13-14 slower but much less $$ and when you're on the birds and hit them they fall dead........... the roosters out at 50 -60 yds I'd need my 270 to kill anyway :)

Federal PF loads are $12.95 at Walmart.

hayduke
12-28-2009, 11:54 PM
Wow, I'll check again, last time I was there they were big on 7 1/2 shot in 12 ga anything beyond that you were out of luck, but heck if there's any chance I'll be walking the aisles of wally world. I did check cheaper than dirt and they were $25 bucks.

Just checked again $16 bucks, not bad

ducksoup
12-30-2009, 04:08 AM
I was at Cabela's in Olympia Monday and they had the Fiochi GP's in 2-3/4" 20's for 129.99 a case of 10 boxes. But than you'd have never got them out the door!!! They only had 5 of the 25 registers open and over 125 people in line. That's 25 people per register, figure a minimum of 2 minutes per transaction, 50 minutes to get out the door???? I told them "forget it" and went down the road to Wholesale Sports.

bigjohnsd
12-30-2009, 05:59 PM
Federal PF loads are $12.95 at Walmart.

I really scored a big hit at Walmart in Brookings SD a week and a half ago.

They were clearing out all of their Pheasant ammo and had the Federal 20 ga PF #5 loads marked down to $9.99 per box. I bought 4 boxes! When I went to check out the girl scanned the shells and they came up @ $7.50 so I went back and bought all they had, 15 more boxes. I'm thinking I'm good for at least another season and a half maybe two. I only got to hunt 47 days this year, maybe do a little better next year.

moellermd
12-30-2009, 10:44 PM
I really scored a big hit at Walmart in Brookings SD a week and a half ago.

They were clearing out all of their Pheasant ammo and had the Federal 20 ga PF #5 loads marked down to $9.99 per box. I bought 4 boxes! When I went to check out the girl scanned the shells and they came up @ $7.50 so I went back and bought all they had, 15 more boxes. I'm thinking I'm good for at least another season and a half maybe two. I only got to hunt 47 days this year, maybe do a little better next year.

I guess I am heading to Walmart tomorrow.

sneem
01-04-2010, 10:18 PM
Count me one of the old duffers who has been shooting pheasants for more than forty years who just shakes his head at posts like this. I have always shot the traditional stuff at about 1200 fps. How much deader would the birds be if I hit them with 1400 fps loads. I know my shoulder would know the difference. I doubt the roosters would. In any case they'd be in no position to make any comments.

pheasent89
01-04-2010, 10:44 PM
I THINK the value of extra speed is to give you that extra distance because of the obvious that the shot slows down so that the extra 200 fps could maybe give you an extra 10 yds of killing power

sneem
01-04-2010, 11:46 PM
Its pattern density not velocity that limits effectiveness at long range. It is generally understood that higher velocities actually worsen patterns. Given that, higher velocities might actually make killing effectiveness at long range worse not better.
Actually most would say the higher velocity requires a shorter lead and therefore one is less likely to shoot behind. Might be something to that but higher velocity won't make a bad shooter any better. Mostly the higher velocity craze is an off shoot of steel shot needs. You actually don't need any more velocity than about 1200 fps to kill effectively at all practical ranges using lead shot.