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Dakotazeb
05-16-2009, 08:02 PM
I know we previously had the discussion regarding 16 ga. loads. But the question I have is: Where is the best place to purchase 16 ga. shells, both selection and price??

I need to pick up some low base 7 1/2 or 8 shot for clays and doves. I'd also like to buy get some field loads. Either the Federal Wing-Shok HV Pheasant Forever loads or the Fiocchi Golden Pheasant loads. I'll also need some Federal Ultra-Shok HV Steel loads.

I'll be looking in the Dakotas or Minnesota. Here in Aberdeen I can buy the Federal PF loads and the Fiocchi's for $14.99. Low base Federal or Estate run $8-10. Maybe that's as good as I'll find them.

bobeyerite
05-16-2009, 08:54 PM
George; I just checked Cabala's and your local shop has them beat big time. a couple of bucks easy. The going rate around here on clay&dove loads Is about 7 bucks a box of 25. That is 20 gauge and 16's should not be much more.---Bob

DennyJ
05-17-2009, 08:59 AM
I live in the Mankato Mn area and it is darn hard to find 16g shells locally for any reasonable price. gander mountain is the worst and scheels is barely better.

Fortunately I was at a small bait shop in Northern Wi a few years back and for some reason they had about 30 total boxes of shotgun ammo and 10 of those were RGL's for 7.99 a box so I bought them all and have been reloading the hulls at home. I have to believe they must have purchased them by mistake.

IMO the best place for both price and selection is reloading in the basement.

Uncle Buck
05-17-2009, 10:40 AM
From what I have seen, you will not do much better.
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benelli-banger
05-17-2009, 12:06 PM
wal mart sells a federal load, possibly 1 oz of 6's, for $5.99. Not an ideal load, but I am going to shoot it at early season pheasants, as well as sharpies and ruffed grouse...I believe it is about 1200 fps...worth having few cases of that for $6/box...

jnormanh
05-17-2009, 01:44 PM
wal mart sells a federal load, possibly 1 oz of 6's, for $5.99. Not an ideal load, but I am going to shoot it at early season pheasants, as well as sharpies and ruffed grouse...I believe it is about 1200 fps...worth having few cases of that for $6/box...

WalMart may not have cheap 16 ga in stock, but any store which sells ammo can order them for you. Ask a supervisor at the Sporting Goods section. Usually takes about a week, and no shipping charge. Expect to pay about $6/box,

bobeyerite
05-17-2009, 03:56 PM
The Wal-Mart here is if you can get someone to take care of you. I waited 20 minutes Tuesday in Sporting Goods and never seen a soul. Finally went to a different store not a Wal-Mart and got what I needed in 5 minutes.---Bob

GoBadgers
05-18-2009, 05:32 PM
I think you are doing good getting Fiocchi and Federals for $14.99. If you can get low base shells for $6 -$7 a box your doing really well. The last time I was in Amarillo, TX. I bought several boxes of Remington Game Loads for $6 in Wal-Mart. Also, I found Remington Long Range Express of $13.75 a box at another sporting good store, can't remember the name. Gander wanted $19/box for the same stuff. The big name sporting goods stores; Cabelas, Gander and Bass Pro are going to take you for a ride.

bobeyerite
05-18-2009, 06:39 PM
George, I was at the super low discount house here in Spokane today. The low base Winchester 7.5 and 8 were 7.99 per box of 25. The Winchester High Base, like your Federal PF loads were 16.99, 4-5-6 shot. I don't get there much as it is about 3 miles from my home Wal-Mart is 4 City Blocks. But with the service at Wal-Mart lately, that is I may be going there more. I wanted to get my Hunting and Fishing License, that is why I waited for 20 minutes at Wal-Mart.---Bob

JMc
05-18-2009, 09:54 PM
I too bought several...actually 18 boxes of Winchester 1 1/8 6's from Wal-Mart(s) in Amarillo. They were having a sale on 16ga and I bought all each store had left at 6.99 a box. Academy has the Remington Long Range Express at a great price. Like Badger said...it's around $14. I'm in Midland for the next few days and will check the Academy here.

jnormanh
05-19-2009, 03:55 PM
Academy doesn't always have the best prices, but it's always worth checking them. Last year they had Remington Shur Shot (hi brass, 1 oz 20 ga) on the shelf at $4.39. I filled a grocery cart...well almost full.

I really like Shur Shot. It hits hard and uses hard shot, so the patterns are very good. Shot quail with it last Fall, and even with IC choke, I had to count to five. The birds I shot closer than a slow five-count were hamburger.

Uncle Buck
05-19-2009, 05:01 PM
I do not think WAL MART is replacing the cheaper 16 ga shells. They had them last year and I bought 3 or boxes, but they no longer have then in Sioux Falls. If you find them at 5.99 to 6.99 get some for me! These would be fine for quail to grouse in most situations.
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Dakotazeb
05-19-2009, 05:07 PM
Buck,

I've never seen any 16's in Aberdeen. But I'll let you know if I do.

George

jnormanh
05-21-2009, 10:05 AM
I do not think WAL MART is replacing the cheaper 16 ga shells. They had them last year and I bought 3 or boxes, but they no longer have then in Sioux Falls. If you find them at 5.99 to 6.99 get some for me! These would be fine for quail to grouse in most situations.

If you're near a Bass Pro Shop, they've got 16 ga @ $6.99, #6 or 7.5 shot.

http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_-1_10001_10200517_425004003_425000000_425004000_425-4-3

onpoint
06-01-2009, 05:27 PM
Well, I don't know about any ammo but I picked up a dandy model 12 Winchester 16ga over the holiday weekend. This time I made sure it's a 2-3/4" chamber and not a 2-9/16 chamber

This is the gun that was said to be "a 16 that carried like a 20 and hit like a 12. Lighter than a 20ga model 12 but shoots loads close to a 12ga. A true "Classic"

jnormanh
06-02-2009, 12:08 PM
Well, I don't know about any ammo but I picked up a dandy model 12 Winchester 16ga over the holiday weekend. This time I made sure it's a 2-3/4" chamber and not a 2-9/16 chamber

This is the gun that was said to be "a 16 that carried like a 20 and hit like a 12. Lighter than a 20ga model 12 but shoots loads close to a 12ga. A true "Classic"


"a 16 that carried like a 20 and hit like a 12.

That's a great sales slogan, but far from the truth.

12 ga loads are anything from 1 oz. to 2.25 oz.

16 ga loads are anything from 1 oz. to 1.25 oz.

20 ga loads are anything from .875 oz to 1.375 oz.

so both 12 and 20 maximum loads hit harder than the heaviest 16.

The 16 ga uses the same receiver as the 12 ga. The 20 ga shares a lighter receiver with the 28 ga.



It's more accurate to say: a 16 carries like a 12 and hits like a 20.

Dakotazeb
06-02-2009, 12:30 PM
I have a feeling this could well develop into quite a debate.

To generalize and say that the 20 ga. maximum loads hit harder than the heaviest 16 ga. loads because the payload is heavier is just plain wrong. Velocity also has a lot to do with it. I think you will find that if both shells are loaded with the same oz. of shot the 16 ga. loads will have a higher velocity. Of course how a shell/gun patterns will also effect how hard it hits (i.e. putting more shot in the killing pattern) The 20 ga. 3" has a long shot string in in many cases does not pattern real well.

I'm also not sure that your statement about the Model 12 16 ga. being built on a 12 ga. frame is correct. I've only owned one Model 12 16 ga and that was 45 years ago. But it seemed to me that it was smaller and lighter than the 12's.

Of course there are other 16 ga. guns that are definately built on a smaller frame. The 16 is a great gauge and I would put one up against any 20 ga. any time. There only negative is the lack of ammo available.

jnormanh
06-02-2009, 01:31 PM
I have a feeling this could well develop into quite a debate.

To generalize and say that the 20 ga. maximum loads hit harder than the heaviest 16 ga. loads because the payload is heavier is just plain wrong. Velocity also has a lot to do with it. I think you will find that if both shells are loaded with the same oz. of shot the 16 ga. loads will have a higher velocity. Of course how a shell/gun patterns will also effect how hard it hits (i.e. putting more shot in the killing pattern) The 20 ga. 3" has a long shot string in in many cases does not pattern real well.

I'm also not sure that your statement about the Model 12 16 ga. being built on a 12 ga. frame is correct. I've only owned one Model 12 16 ga and that was 45 years ago. But it seemed to me that it was smaller and lighter than the 12's.

Of course there are other 16 ga. guns that are definately built on a smaller frame. The 16 is a great gauge and I would put one up against any 20 ga. any time. There only negative is the lack of ammo available.

What's to debate?

Hardest hitting 20 ga load is 1.25 oz @ 1300 fps = 2051 ft lbs

Hardest hitting 16 ga load is 1.25 oz @ 1260 fps = 1927 ft lbs

Hardest hitting 12 ga load is 2.25 oz @ 1150 fps = 2890 ft lbs..

Does a 16 pattern a tiny bit better than a 20? Maybe, depends on the gun. Does a 12 pattern better than a 16? Maybe, depends on the gun.

Nonetheless, a 16 hits just about like a 20 and surely doesn't hit like a 12.

I can't find a direct comparison between weights of M12 in 12, 16 and 20. There are too many variables (barrel length, rib, etc). Nonetheless, common sense will tell you that a 16 will weigh more than a 20 of the same design. The barrel is larger, as are the magazine tube and breech bolt, even if everything else is the same.

I'm not knocking your 16 ga Model 12. They're great guns. I was just picking on that silly sales slogan

How about we agree on this sales slogan: Carries like a 16, hits like a 16...?:cheers:

winchester21
06-02-2009, 02:56 PM
"a 16 that carried like a 20 and hit like a 12.

That's a great sales slogan, but far from the truth.

12 ga loads are anything from 1 oz. to 2.25 oz.

16 ga loads are anything from 1 oz. to 1.25 oz.

20 ga loads are anything from .875 oz to 1.375 oz.

so both 12 and 20 maximum loads hit harder than the heaviest 16.

The 16 ga uses the same receiver as the 12 ga. The 20 ga shares a lighter receiver with the 28 ga.



It's more accurate to say: a 16 carries like a 12 and hits like a 20.

You couldn't be farther from the truth. As far as M12s go, they were all built on different receivers, the 16 being very similar to the 20. I own both and a 12. That slogan was created by Winchester during the heyday of the 16 gauge when you could buy 2.75 shells that were loaded with 3.25 drams of powder and an ounce and quarter payload which far outperformed the 20 gauge of that time and basically achieved 12 gauge field load ballistics.
Unfortunately, over time the 16 gauge has been cannibalized by the 12 and 20 as seen by the Remington 870 which does in fact use a 12 gauge receiver.
I will always be a fan of the 16. It is perhaps the perfect pheasant gauge.

Dakotazeb
06-02-2009, 03:18 PM
I did some research and have found that the 16 ga., 20 ga. & 28 ga. Winchester Model 12's were all built on the same frame.

In it's day, with the factory loads that were available, the saying that it "carries like a twenty and hits like a twelve" was quite accurate.

Certainly the 3" twenty gauge has given the twenty nearly the same ballistics as the 16. But I still would prefer to have my 16 with me in the field rather than a 20. Especially with the new Federal PF loads with 1.125 oz. of copperplated shot at 1,425 fps. And the Fiocchi's with nickel plated shot at 1,310 aren't bad either.

Don't knock the 16. It's a damn fine cartridge. No it's not a 12 ga. but overall it will outperform the 20 ga.

jnormanh
06-02-2009, 03:42 PM
I did some research and have found that the 16 ga., 20 ga. & 28 ga. Winchester Model 12's were all built on the same frame.

Winchester 21 says all the M12s were built on different frames. 4 guages, 4 frames. I don't know. You two can settle that between ya'll.

In it's day, with the factory loads that were available, the saying that it "carries like a twenty and hits like a twelve" was quite accurate.

I didn't realize you were talking about the good ole days. Are you planning to shoot paper hulls and fiber wads in your 16 and 12?

Certainly the 3" twenty gauge has given the twenty nearly the same ballistics as the 16. But I still would prefer to have my 16 with me in the field rather than a 20. Especially with the new Federal PF loads with 1.125 oz. of copperplated shot at 1,425 fps. And the Fiocchi's with nickel plated shot at 1,310 aren't bad either.

Don't knock the 16. It's a damn fine cartridge.

Who's knocking the 16? Not me. A 16 will kill pheasants just like a 12, 20 or 28 if the shooter knows what he's doing.

[Quote]No it's not a 12 ga. but overall it will outperform the 20 ga.

I'll bet you can't tell them apart at 35 yards. I know the bird can't

bobeyerite
06-02-2009, 03:51 PM
I hate to see my 20 gauge getting the hell knocked out of it. For me it has been and will continue to be a great gun. I agree with a lot of what George has said. I do think there is one variable here nobody has touched on. Both Dakotas are notorious for taking longer shots that most anyplace else. I know in shooting Trap from the 27 yard line. I use a full choke and a 1 ounce 1200 FPS load and I can usually get 22 or so. With that being said, I do believe a gun, no matter how basically superior it is on paper. It is the person shooting it that is the deciding factor. I use almost the same load hunting. It is 1 ounce and 1220 FPS and I have and can get a birds with that load.---Bob

jnormanh
06-02-2009, 04:11 PM
I hate to see my 20 gauge getting the hell knocked out of it. For me it has been and will continue to be a great gun. I agree with a lot of what George has said. I do think there is one variable here nobody has touched on. Both Dakotas are notorious for taking longer shots that most anyplace else. I know in shooting Trap from the 27 yard line. I use a full choke and a 1 ounce 1200 FPS load and I can usually get 22 or so. With that being said, I do believe a gun, no matter how basically superior it is on paper. It is the person shooting it that is the deciding factor. I use almost the same load hunting. It is 1 ounce and 1220 FPS and I have and can get a birds with that load.---Bob


22 from the 27 yard line is better than most trap shooters can do with their 12 guages. Hell, most of them never step on the 27. I'll bet you can kill a higher percentage of pheasants than most 12 ga shooters too.

I miss my share of birds, but I don't believe it was ever because I was shooting too little gun. I know for a fact that a 28 ga will kill honkers and turkeys just fine. 7.5s in the head, and they drop like a rock.

It's not the arrows, It's Indian behind the bow that counts.

Dakotazeb
06-03-2009, 08:54 AM
I hate to see my 20 gauge getting the hell knocked out of it.

Bob,
I'm certainly not knocking the 20 gauge. I was just defending the 16. Maybe I took jnormanh's post incorrectly, but to me he was knocking the 16.

Onpoint's quote:
This is the gun that was said to be "a 16 that carried like a 20 and hit like a 12. This was a correct quote from days gone by. jnormanh also didn't have his facts straight in the original post when he said the Model 12 16 gauge was on a 12 gauge frame. I was just trying to set the facts straight. Didn't mean to offend anyone.

Bob, you are absolutely correct when you say it's the person stooting the gun that is the deciding factor. It's not all about payload and how hard they hit. If that was the case we'd all be shooting 3 1/2 inch mags for pheasants. :)

bobeyerite
06-03-2009, 03:18 PM
Fact George; I have never shot a 3 inch Mag. I got some for Turkey and never shot them so. I gave to my son who still hunts turkey.

Fact, I have killed more birds and have shot better in general with my 20's. Than I ever did with a 12 gauge. Under the "Stories Thread", read "Making of A Bird Dog." That was shot with a 12 gauge and the proof is there.

My Pheasant loads are as I said 1220 1 ounce of shot only I cheat. I use 7 shot. Not 7.5, but 7 shot. In my 20 gauge they are deadly for me. I have done so well with them. My eldest son is looking for a bag of 7 shot. Since Sportsmans closed he can not find it here in Spokane. So it looks like my shot supply will get raided. I use them for my first shot followed by a 6 shot. It works for me.----Bob

onpoint
06-03-2009, 06:08 PM
What's to debate?

Hardest hitting 20 ga load is 1.25 oz @ 1300 fps = 2051 ft lbs

Hardest hitting 16 ga load is 1.25 oz @ 1260 fps = 1927 ft lbs

Hardest hitting 12 ga load is 2.25 oz @ 1150 fps = 2890 ft lbs..

Does a 16 pattern a tiny bit better than a 20? Maybe, depends on the gun. Does a 12 pattern better than a 16? Maybe, depends on the gun.

Nonetheless, a 16 hits just about like a 20 and surely doesn't hit like a 12.

I can't find a direct comparison between weights of M12 in 12, 16 and 20. There are too many variables (barrel length, rib, etc). Nonetheless, common sense will tell you that a 16 will weigh more than a 20 of the same design. The barrel is larger, as are the magazine tube and breech bolt, even if everything else is the same.

I'm not knocking your 16 ga Model 12. They're great guns. I was just picking on that silly sales slogan

How about we agree on this sales slogan: Carries like a 16, hits like a 16...?:cheers:

Well, if you knew anything about a model 12 Winchester. You would know that the 16 is built on the 20ga frame and because of the larger diameter 16 shell, more metal was removed to accomidate the 16ga shell. Thus the 16 weighs less than the 20.

Also, the slogan was for when you carried the gun with the same weight pay load. Like say a 11/4oz load of pheasant killing shot. The 16 carried like a 20 and hit like a 12. Thus, this is why model 12 16ga's demand a fair price for one in good shape with proper choke restriction

Ah, the Sweet 16 A5 Browning is another fine case for this argument

onpoint
06-05-2009, 07:10 PM
Here is a couple of pics of my model 12 12 ga and my model 12 16 ga. They don't do real justice to the real size difference between the 12 & 16 or the heft that one could feel handling the guns themselves, but trust me. The 12 is a tank compared to the 16. The 16 is truly a joy to carry and it swings like few others. Only the Ithaca 37 Ultra-Featherwight 20ga with the Alloy receiver, the Franchi 48AL 20ga auto, Benelli Montifeltro 20ga auto or the Browning A5 20ga or Sweet 16 auto can really compare(pump's & auto's).

jnormanh
06-12-2009, 04:01 PM
Apples/Oranges.

Of course that 12 ga seems clunkier than the 16 ga. Look at the difference in barrel length. Take a hacksaw and knock several inches off the 12, cut it down to the same length as the 16, and It'll swing a lot quicker, maybe almost as easy as the 16, but it'll still hit like a 12, and the 16 will still hit like a 16.

The bottom line is, if you want to shoot a gun that hits like a 12, you have to shoot a 12...or a 10.

If you're happy with a gun that hits like a 20, then why fool around trying to find ammunition for a 16? Shoot a 20. M12, if you like.

The M12 is a great classic gun, well designed and built, no question. You still see some die-hard trapshooters putting up good scores with their pre-1964 12 ga M12s. In fact I watched an old codger, (like me :-) put all the youngsters in that shade just last week with his M12, and that gun must have a half million shells through it by now.....BUT you'll never, ever see them shooting a 16, although it's perfectly legal, and can shoot the same 1-1/8 oz. load.

The 16 is a curiosity, almost like the 14 ga. There was a time, 60 years ago, when it might have hit almost like a 12, but today it deserves a place of honor, hanging over the fireplace.

If you want a really quick handling, lightweight gun, shoot one of those 5.5# Spanish doubles like an AYA.

GoBadgers
06-12-2009, 05:35 PM
Why the anger toward 16 gauges?

Shooters hunt with 12 and 20 guages, hunters hunt with 16 guages :D

jnormanh
06-12-2009, 06:22 PM
Why the anger toward 16 gauges?

Shooters hunt with 12 and 20 guages, hunters hunt with 16 guages :D


Not very many.

bobeyerite
06-12-2009, 10:31 PM
With all that has been said to me, a true sportsman hunts with a 28 gauge O/U . Saves the 20 gauge for real windy days....Bob

onpoint
06-18-2009, 06:19 AM
Apples/Oranges.

Of course that 12 ga seems clunkier than the 16 ga. Look at the difference in barrel length. Take a hacksaw and knock several inches off the 12, cut it down to the same length as the 16, and It'll swing a lot quicker, maybe almost as easy as the 16, but it'll still hit like a 12, and the 16 will still hit like a 16.

The bottom line is, if you want to shoot a gun that hits like a 12, you have to shoot a 12...or a 10.

If you're happy with a gun that hits like a 20, then why fool around trying to find ammunition for a 16? Shoot a 20. M12, if you like.

The M12 is a great classic gun, well designed and built, no question. You still see some die-hard trapshooters putting up good scores with their pre-1964 12 ga M12s. In fact I watched an old codger, (like me :-) put all the youngsters in that shade just last week with his M12, and that gun must have a half million shells through it by now.....BUT you'll never, ever see them shooting a 16, although it's perfectly legal, and can shoot the same 1-1/8 oz. load.

The 16 is a curiosity, almost like the 14 ga. There was a time, 60 years ago, when it might have hit almost like a 12, but today it deserves a place of honor, hanging over the fireplace.

If you want a really quick handling, lightweight gun, shoot one of those 5.5# Spanish doubles like an AYA.

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" but today it deserves a place of honor, hanging over the fireplace."

Oh Brother..Roll eye's...I see that comment inflaming a few folks


obvously you know best..LOL.... IMO....mmmm Never mind

Have a great day

benelli-banger
06-18-2009, 08:02 AM
went to the gun library in mitchell on saturday...was going to buy a merkel 47e 12 gauge...made the mistake of shouldering a merkel 1620. now I am planning on buying that instead, it was too compelling...wow! Like I told the salesman, my brain said I needed the 12 gauge, but my heart said I needed the 16. It really felt good....really, really good. I have plenty of 12's, 16's, and 20's already, so I know what I can do with them on birds and on targets. That 1620...wow...I can't wait to waltz her through the uplands!!! (and smuggle her into my bunk later!).

onpoint
06-18-2009, 03:13 PM
Wow BB, I was in Mitchell on Friday shopping

Been at our place on Lake Andes for the past week

Some wild weather on Tuesday afternoon ha?

Went through Menno on the way home. They got hit pretty good

Hope you get your 1620, a fine selection.

Keep us posted

Chuck

JMc
06-18-2009, 03:18 PM
As most of you know...I'm not one to shy away from an argument; however, its seems as if we may be taking this "hits like" comment a little far. I have a safe full of 20's, 1-28, a couple of 12's and a Browning Feather 16 O/U. I hunt pheasant with the 16 and really don't care what it hits like; I just know it hits. I'm more concerned about dead birds and bird count. Limit everytime and that's good enough for me and my short tailed hunting buddy Taz. Besides that, I can't remember a wounded pheasant ever telling me that had I used a 12, he would be dead...:D Was a 10ga metioned...geez, IMHO Shoot what you want, when you want, at what you want.

benelli-banger
06-18-2009, 03:44 PM
As most of you know...I'm not one to shy away from an argument; however, its seems as if we may be taking this "hits like" comment a little far. I have a safe full of 20's, 1-28, a couple of 12's and a Browning Feather 16 O/U. I hunt pheasant with the 16 and really don't care what it hits like; I just know it hits. I'm more concerned about dead birds and bird count. Limit everytime and that's good enough for me and my short tailed hunting buddy Taz. Besides that, I can't remember a wounded pheasant ever telling me that had I used a 12, he would be dead...:D Was a 10ga metioned...geez, IMHO Shoot what you want, when you want, at what you want.

great point. It might be different if we were market hunting, and had to harvest 50 or 100 or 200 birds a day. Depending on what a guy is hunting, and where, we may be talking about shooting anywhere from one to as many as 5 or maybe 10 birds in a day, but more than likely on the lower end of that range. And if a bird or two are allowed to fly away because the range was questionable, I guess that means that a guy gets to spend a little more time out in the field, following his best friend around.

gundogdixie
06-18-2009, 03:46 PM
Here in Georgia

I checked on the #5's in the new Federal pheasant load the other day. I found one local store that could order them for (drum roll please) $245 a flat. I'll be loading my own pheasant loads from now on.

gundogdixie
06-18-2009, 03:58 PM
I suggest you do a little more research on 16 gauge before you relegate it to the fireplace. But do this only if you are interested in knowing the truth.

Copperboy
07-03-2009, 05:35 PM
I LOVE A 16ga. I have tried different loads & brands but so far I always go back to a Remington Express shells. I like the knockdown that the Express shells have.

beefcake
09-18-2009, 07:08 AM
I f you shoot alot of 16ga ammo in the end it will be cheaper& you will make better quailty shells if you reload. if you are in need ive worked up some assume loads over the yrs that i wpuld be willing to share.

airmedic1
10-04-2009, 03:30 PM
I have many shotguns of all gauges and types and I like my Merkel 1620C 16 gauge. It is one of my favorite upland guns of all times. No, it's not a clay games gun but at 6lbs 2 oz it's a pleasure to carry in the field and I enjoy it. I can't say that it kills any better than the 20 gauges that I used for years or the 12 gauge either but it brings me pleasure and that's the important thing.

As for shells, google B&P. They have 16 gauge shells that are high quality, reasonably priced (under $10.00 a box) and they ship them for free. I have been using their shells in my 16ga, 20ga and 12ga almost exclusively for upland game for the last 2-3 years.

R:)

Dakotazeb
10-04-2009, 04:47 PM
It's just been since the sharptail season opened that I've finally gotten a chance to shoot my new Browning White Lighting 16 ga. So far I'm 5 for 7. Today I was 3 for 3 with a double to fill my limit. I'm lovin' this gun. I'm using Federal shells with 1 1/8 oz. of #6 shot at 1,295. For pheasants I plan to use the new Federal PF loads at 1,450 fps. I can get them for $16 per box.

beefcake
10-04-2009, 07:24 PM
16 hits HARDER then any 20! and 4 upland please 1 1/8oz of NP #5 1/2 in first barrel & 1 1/4oz np #4 in second bring on ANY cockbird!!

bobeyerite
10-04-2009, 09:24 PM
Beefcake this #5 1/2 shot you are always speaking of, are they reloads or factory loads? If reloads who carries the shot in 25 pound bags?........Bob

beefcake
10-05-2009, 07:52 AM
The #5 1/2NP shot i speek of can be bought from BALISTIC PRODUCTS.COM They only sell it in 11lbs bags for about $38. They also sell copper shot too.I reload all my own stuff and saddly can make a much better shell for cheaper then buying them. NOT because i am so good no but the ammo companys shells either DONT have as much shot as they say! and/or they put filler IE flack seed/rubber pellets in some of the shells to get the right volume,also are not as fast as they claim.anyway hope this helps. P.S the #5 1/2 work gr8 in a 28ga for pheasants!! be well

bobeyerite
10-05-2009, 02:28 PM
Thank you beefcake I do reload that is why I was asking. Thank you again.....Bob

odenney
02-15-2017, 10:05 AM
Anyone know of any site that sells #7 lead in 16 or 12 gauge? I can find it in steel but not lead. I know you can buy lead shot and reload it yourself, and when I was a kid you could find it, but have not see any in a long time.

Miforester
02-15-2017, 02:17 PM
Rst does but they are 2.5" shells.

Dakotazeb
02-15-2017, 05:01 PM
Boy, you guys resurrected an old thread. I see bobeyerite had some post on this thread back in 2009. I haven't seen Bob on this site for a long time. Anyone have any contact with him? I know back in 2009 he was one of the Mods and also one of our more senior members. Hope he's still kickin' and doing okay.

mgorvi
03-04-2017, 10:21 PM
I spent a little time in SD with all three of those gauges over the years. I have yet to meet a bird that can out run the 1200 fps shitstorm that any of those guns is capable of puking out. The only thing that makes a hill of beans difference to me is does the gun fit, and did you get that shotstring out in front of the bird and let it fly into it. I hit em' with all three of those gauges, and I missed them with all three. It always came down to those two things. It's the same as golf. 90% operator, 10% equipment, and it will always be just that.

vrepola
11-02-2017, 01:53 AM
Anyone know of any site that sells #7 lead in 16 or 12 gauge? I can find it in steel but not lead. I know you can buy lead shot and reload it yourself, and when I was a kid you could find it, but have not see any in a long time.

Only factory load in lead I know of the Winchester Whitewing load. It's 1 1/8 of #7 if I remember correctly.

airmedic1
11-02-2017, 07:02 AM
B&P makes a 2 5/8" 16b in #7. I have used these shells in #6 and have always liked them but I have never tried the 7's.

Here is a link

http://www.aerostaroutdoors.com/product_info.php/products_id/277/osCsid/cbcqop79jeprutpnbl59tn1va7

AM

A5 Sweet 16
11-02-2017, 12:54 PM
B&P makes a 2 5/8" 16b in #7. I have used these shells in #6 and have always liked them but I have never tried the 7's.

7's wouldn't be appropriate for the pheasant hunting I do, but I concur that B&P makes a fine shell. I've liked them in 5's & 6's. The F2 Classic.

Dakotazeb
11-02-2017, 01:07 PM
I don't think B&P is making 16 ga. shell anymore. At least the don't list them on their web site.

A5 Sweet 16
11-02-2017, 01:45 PM
I don't think B&P is making 16 ga. shell anymore. At least the don't list them on their web site.

Here's a link to their foreign site (or whatever). How accessible they are today, I've no idea. http://www.baschieri-pellagri.com/en/catalogo/cartucce+da+caccia/1/1/16.aspx

Same thing as is being offered in Airmedics link above.

Dakotazeb
11-02-2017, 06:19 PM
Here's a link to their foreign site (or whatever). How accessible they are today, I've no idea. http://www.baschieri-pellagri.com/en/catalogo/cartucce+da+caccia/1/1/16.aspx

Same thing as is being offered in Airmedics link above.

On their foreign site click on the B&P USA link in the upper right. You won't find any 16 ga. shells there.

Gumboot
11-03-2017, 08:37 AM
Fiocchi High Velocity 16 ga 7 1/2, 1 1/8 oz, 1300 fps. Can you really tell the difference between 7 and 7 1/2...

A5 Sweet 16
11-03-2017, 10:24 AM
Fiocchi High Velocity 16 ga 7 1/2, 1 1/8 oz, 1300 fps. Can you really tell the difference between 7 and 7 1/2...

For pheasants? I doubt it. Both are too small for pheasants in my opinion, unless all your shots are pretty close, say under 30 yards. That said, there's a somewhat noticeable difference between 7.5's & 8's on the sporting clays course. You get a long clay, or one that presents itself in one of those tough to break angles, you want 7.5's where an 8 might bounce off.
As for Fiocchi HV16.....great shells, at least out of my 16's. I really like them in 5's. Could be wrong, but I don't think they're available in 7's.

70worm
11-03-2017, 07:38 PM
http://www.rstshells.com/store/m/3-16-Gauge.aspx

theuplandlife
11-04-2017, 04:04 PM
I have used ammo and it performed great

mlf3882
11-09-2017, 12:31 AM
I do use the B&P F2 in #7 shot up here in MI for grouse in the 2nd barrel, early part of season use a #8 shell then a #7 1/2 in the first barrel. You can tell the difference between the #7 and the #7 1/2 and #8 when bringing down grouse, it kills them.

Not sure where everyone is hunting pheasants, but for years I lived in NE KS and the next flush could be either a covey of quail or a pheasant. To solve the shell issue, the first barrel had a #7 1/2 and the 2nd barrel mag #4 or #5 shot (all lead shells). If a covey got up then I only shot once and then followed up on singles with #7 1/2. When a pheasant would get up I would shoot the first barrel with the #7 1/2 and be prepared to fire the second, sometimes based on the birds direction of flush or distance to the bird, would dictate I fire the 2nd barrel initially. Most flushes from the pheasants were under 30 yrds and the #7 1/2 would frequently bring them down (90%) and a follow-up shot not needed, but that being said quite a few of those birds were still alive when they hit the ground and the dog was relied upon. She was a flushing lab and very good at her job, honestly in 8yrs of hunting her I probably lost 5 or less birds?? There were also times I didn't fire due to range, but they were few as well and would of probably held fire even if I had two magnum shells in the gun. I hunted almost daily from start of season to the very last day.

So to summarize, based on where you hunt and what species besides pheasant get up...the smaller shot can work, but you need to have a really good dog. I have not shot the #7 B&P on birds in KS but my son and I have a rare opportunity...neither of us are currently deployed (both Army) and got leave at same time so we are meeting in KS next week to do some hunting! I plan to do the same trick again with a #7 B&P in the first barrel and #4 or 5 magnum in the second (16ga)

Also I checked and Aerostar still has 16ga F2 #7 shot available, the website says "limited supply" but they are still there. They only sell by the case (200 rds) and the price was I think $115. To find them google "aerostar shotshells"

In my humble opinion

mlf3882
11-09-2017, 12:36 AM
I am curious "uplandlife" you would not by chance be that Hevishot salesman that was pushing you product on this forum a few years ago would ya? I looked at all of your posts and you always seem to redirect the discussion onto Hevishot...you seem 'sketch' to me buddy.

All of us would probably love to shoot your product...so bring the price down man and maybe we will consider them, but at least have the nads to be honest about being a Hevishot rep when replying to posts.....

hiplainsdrifter
12-20-2017, 10:20 PM
For pheasants I plan to use the new Federal PF loads at 1,450 fps. I can get them for $16 per box. Where? I am overpaying.

Dakotazeb
12-20-2017, 11:13 PM
Where? I am overpaying.

Did you happen to notice that that post was from October 2009?????????????

hiplainsdrifter
12-21-2017, 04:12 PM
Did you happen to notice that that post was from October 2009?????????????

Hmm, that explains it. Dang inflation.